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ChaosReich on 06 June 2017
Machiavellian said:
Imaginedvl said:

That

The only reason it is at the top now is because it started 100$ cheaper for better performance... Not games as it was the same and general consumer does not care that much. And then the domino effect could not be stopped with the big headstart

This is the reason I bought the PS4 at launch over the X1 and the 360 was my main console the previous gen.  MS screwed up and they paid for it big time which allowed Sony to gain huge marketshare in the beginning when both systems only had the usual suspects.  The PS4 outperforming the X1 in big ways for 3rd party titles help make the PS4 the real choice for the COD, FIFA, Madden, Battlefield, Destiny you name it.  Why would anyone purchase the weaker console to play the same titles for more money.  Once MS cut the Kinect, and had price parity, it still was in Sony favor hardware wise as it was the most powerful console for the price.  Hardware played a huge difference because MS lost a lot of their fanbase and it was not the games on the PS4 at the time that did that but pure hardware disparity.

Now its everything.  MS lost huge marketshare so they cannot get the Japanese developers to code for they system unless they are the big dogs and even then they are making smaller exclusive for the Sony system because of install base.  All indies who are going console are coding for Sony unless they get finance by MS.  After what 4 years, the installbase for the PS4 pretty much sells itself because as people mentioned, you buy the system your friends have.

Thats good insight. I think you are right about the exclusives not being THAT major at the beginning in terms of favoring Sony, but now, it certainly cant be denied that Sony is completely crushing it on that front and it makes me like them more and want to support them. I also think a LOT of you guys are forgetting the fucking slap in the face that Microsoft threw at its customers who supported them by limiting their ability to share games and not allowing re-sales as well as forcing you to be always online. Last gen i was an Xbox 360 bro all the way, their indies where great and their exclusives were fucking legit, then the news came concerning the direction Microsoft was taking the console and i felt betrayed so i said FUCK MICROSOFT and went with Sony.

 



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bonzobanana on 06 June 2017

I'm still unsure about the Scorpio. Is it an interim console like ps4 pro or a full fledged next gen model?

I suspect at some point the ps4 pro will become the only choice in the ps4 range once its cheap enough to drop to the equivalent pricing. Is that something the Scorpio can do?

Once the Scorpio is close to launch I suspect Sony will release teaser information about ps5 as a spoiler tactic as they did with ps2 when dreamcast was launched. At first it will be skeleton information and then a slow release of more details. I doubt Scorpio will perform well outside the usa. There just doesn't seem as much hype or interest in Scorpio, maybe it is perceived as the same type of product as ps4 pro even though a much greater performance upgrade. For the first time ever I saw the xbox one sold s/hand for less than £100. It was a deal on hotukdeals. That is a very mass market price.

I can't help wondering if Microsoft wouldn't be better off with a budget version of the xbox one for Christmas. Maybe a top loading £129 console rather than focus on the higher end with Scorpio. Maybe with a 3 month gold subscription thrown in. Something very stylish compact and available in multiple colours. I write that expecting the Scorpio to be quite highly priced and not mass market enough but again if it comes in at ps4 pro pricing that would be quite different but the liquid cooling and other spec information leads me to believe this will be an expensive product that will not only fragment the userbase but also not be a comfortable upgrade for many xbox one owners who may resent the weak versions of games they get compared to Scorpio and if a more powerful ps5 is known about during its launch months I can see it failing quite severely.

I just wonder if outpricing the ps4 wouldn't be a better option.



ChaosReich on 06 June 2017
Imaginedvl said:
ChaosReich said:

If "the domino effect could not be stopped" how do you explain the ps3 eventually tying the xbox 360 in sales even though it released a year later and at double the price at $600

Ahah..

Maybe because the difference between the Xbox 360 vs PStation Three was not even close to what happened with the PStation Four and the Xbox One... And yes, the PStation Four did not have any exclusive advantages at launch you know, only that price/power difference... Sorry buddy but that's what it is, lower price for more powerfull console, Microsoft screwed up and there is no come back (to at least beat Sony) but the good thing is that the Xbox One is doing very well overall and that's the good part :)

I serioisly was just asking, your usage of "ahah" and "buddy" seemed passive aggressive so i think you misunderstood my tone.....

 Anyways, back to my point, remember that the old Sony systems were weaker then their competion yet massively outsold its competition. Also, both the PS2 and original Xbox sold at $300 with the Xbox being the stronger of the 2 yet it was very much outsold. So im just pointing that out in reference to you claim that it was "only that price/power difference". Plus, like ive mentioned ad infinitum, dont you also think that Microsofts original shitty policies concerning used games and always online may have also played a large part in why the Ps4 took off to a massive head start?



Imaginedvl on 06 June 2017
ChaosReich said:
Imaginedvl said:

Ahah..

Maybe because the difference between the Xbox 360 vs PStation Three was not even close to what happened with the PStation Four and the Xbox One... And yes, the PStation Four did not have any exclusive advantages at launch you know, only that price/power difference... Sorry buddy but that's what it is, lower price for more powerfull console, Microsoft screwed up and there is no come back (to at least beat Sony) but the good thing is that the Xbox One is doing very well overall and that's the good part :)

I serioisly was just asking, your usage of "ahah" and "buddy" seemed passive aggressive so i think you misunderstood my tone.....

 Anyways, back to my point, remember that the old Sony systems were weaker then their competion yet massively outsold its competition. Also, both the PS2 and original Xbox sold at $300 with the Xbox being the stronger of the 2 yet it was very much outsold. So im just pointing that out in reference to you claim that it was "only that price/power difference". Plus, like ive mentioned ad infinitum, dont you also think that Microsofts original shitty policies concerning used games and always online may have also played a large part in why the Ps4 took off to a massive head start?

I honestly do not think the original policies hurted them as much as the price/power difference but yes, it played a role for sure, would be hard to disagree with that. As far past generation, again, the disparity at first (including lunching at the same time or almost) did not happen like it happened with the PStation Four and Xbox One. 

For the general consumer (not fans or hardcore gamers), it was as simple as that: Two next gens consoles,  both can play the same games, one is more powerfull and 100$ less expensive... The choice is pretty easy. 



ChaosReich on 06 June 2017
Imaginedvl said:
ChaosReich said:

I serioisly was just asking, your usage of "ahah" and "buddy" seemed passive aggressive so i think you misunderstood my tone.....

 Anyways, back to my point, remember that the old Sony systems were weaker then their competion yet massively outsold its competition. Also, both the PS2 and original Xbox sold at $300 with the Xbox being the stronger of the 2 yet it was very much outsold. So im just pointing that out in reference to you claim that it was "only that price/power difference". Plus, like ive mentioned ad infinitum, dont you also think that Microsofts original shitty policies concerning used games and always online may have also played a large part in why the Ps4 took off to a massive head start?

I honestly do not think the original policies hurted them as much as the price/power difference but yes, it played a role for sure, would be hard to disagree with that. As far past generation, again, the disparity at first (including lunching at the same time or almost) did not happen like it happened with the PStation Four and Xbox One. 

For the general consumer (not fans or hardcore gamers), it was as simple as that: Two next gens consoles,  both can play the same games, one is more powerfull and 100$ less expensive... The choice is pretty easy. 

So i havent looked at the stats but i guess your referring to the fact that Sony's lead over Xbox this gen was the quickest one to find a large gap relative to other consoles? If thats what your claiming then i really have no idea, your probably right since im sure youve checked into it. 

 

Well for me personally one of the biggest things that influenced me 1 way over the other was Microsofts treatment and lack of disregard for its consumers so on that end im speaking from personal experience.



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LudicrousSpeed on 06 June 2017
Kyuu said:
Even power wise, scorpio will be more held back than ps4 pro because the base model is weaker. Exclusives (if there will be any) won't look as good as ps4's unless microsoft ditches the original x1 completely which isn't happening.

Do you think the PS4 Pro is not held back by the Xbone also? Of course it is. When 3rd parties are designing multi platform games they have to design it with the weakest hardware in mind and then go up from there. As for exclusives... I mean, you're just talking about purtier graphics. The PS4 exclusive games don't have any mind blowing features or design that's not possible on Xbone, the graphics just look better. There's no reason developers making Microsoft exclusive games wouldn't be able to fully utilize the extra power of Scorpio. We're just not going to see some sort of next gen capability, same as PS4 vs Pro.



S.T.A.G.E. on 06 June 2017

Well... better this than a thousand Xbox controller commercials



Imaginedvl on 06 June 2017
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Well... better this than a thousand Xbox controller commercials

Don't you like pink and yellow controllers :)



dharh on 06 June 2017
Normchacho said:
I don't hold anything against MS for marketing the Scorpio for it's power. It only makes sense.

However, there are a couple of things going through my head.

1. I'm really interested in hearing what kind of impact people think the Scorpio will have.

2. I think some here are really underestimating the importance of a varied library. I find it pretty obvious that having more games in a wider array of genres would be pretty hugely beneficial.

If you love the Souls games, you can get DS3 on Xbox One. But the PS4 also has Bloodborne.
If you love open world RPGs, you can get The Witcher 3 on Xbox One. But the PS4 also has Horizon.
If you love sports games, you can get Madden on Xbox One. But the PS4 also has MLB.
If you like fighting games, you can get Tekken on Xbox One. But the PS4 also has Street Fighter.
if you love JRPGs, you can get FFXV on Xbox One. But the PS4 has like two dozen others aswell.

Then, you use marketing and exclusive content to fill in any gaps.

If you love shooters, Xbox is the only place to get Halo. But Sony has deals with CoD, Destiny, and Battlefront. It's not 1:1 of course, but it certainly lessens the blow.

For me this has been the key.  

I like Souls games.  So far the best bet has been PSX.
I like RPG of all typs.  So far the best bet has been PSX.

Nothing else really matters to me.  That is why for the forseeable future I just can't see for people like me that the Scorpio release is going to have any impact at all.  Just as it was with the Switch.



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Errorist76 on 06 June 2017
Teriol said:
Tryklon said:

More power is soo important that even Switch is outselling XBox almost 5:1 last known week... ahah... I need a crying smiley here pls

It was sony's marketing all this years "POWER", and not for real power i have a PC, i'm pointing the hypocrisy a lot of guys here has, and for the NS i'm trying to get one but it's sold out.

If you're trying to point out hypocrisy Im sure you haven't forgotten almost every XBox fanboy who for years pledged resolution/power doesn't matter, but now, all of a sudden, can't wait to pay it back to the mean Sony fans who have punished them for so long...

power wasn't the main reason people flogged over to Playstation. It was Microsoft's terrible vision and reveal plus their bad rep with faulty hardware and lacking game support in the last years of 360. (Something that hasn't changed much with the XBO tbh) Plus the fact that, except for US and UK PlayStation is simply by far the much more respected and trusted brand worldwide.

PLUS price is and was a very important factor! Let's say Scorpio releases at 449$ as the leaks suggest...Sony will drop the Pro's price to 349,- at E3 and possibly 299,- later at Scorpio's release...Does anybody really think Scorpio will make a dent at all except selling to the diehard XBox fans who already bought the XOneS just a year earlier?! Especially since it's only around 40% more powerful than PS4Pro, around the same advantage PS4 had against X1?!

BTW I game since 35 years and the more powerful console has never won the competition. It's games games games in the end.