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Goodnightmoon said:
Aeolus451 said:
I'm a little similar. I don't find homosexuals being romantic as disgusting but it can be disgusting like anyone else can be. I don't like it when they kiss or act overly gay in front of people to get attention, make a statement or get a rise out of people. It's not doing their cause to be accepted any favors acting like that. It's the quickest way to get me to not like a gay person.

 

Aeolus451 said:

No, I'm not. Reread what I wrote. You're likely misunderstanding me. I'm completely fine with homosexuals but not with everything they do especially when they're trying to push boundaries by doing things to get a rise out of people. On the flip side of this. if a straight couple or people went into an area with alot of gay, started making out or going than that in front of everyone to get a rise out. It's just as disgusting as when gay people do that to straight people. 

You say that you don't like when they kiss or when they act gay in fron of people, then you compare that with a straight couple making out in front of gays "to get a rise out of people" but why would a straight couple making out get a rise out of gay people? that wouldn't happen at all, nobody would take that as a provocation, the problem here is that you see a provocation in the oppossite situation because you don't really like a lot gay people and that is made pretty obvious by your first sentence "I don't find homosexuals being romantic as disgusting" which suggest you do find homosexuals being romantic kind of disgusting, something only an homophobe would say, and from an homophobe pov gay people doing gay things are always creating a provocation, a call for attention, pushing boundaries and shit like that.

ugh.... For fuck's sake. 

I didn't say that I don't like it when they kiss in public. I don't like it when they kiss in front of people to a get a rise out people or to make a statement. Do you not understand the difference in that? 

"I don't find homosexuals being romantic as disgusting" means literally what is written. 

I've known couples of different sexuallities make out in front of others to get a rise out of them for different reasons. Some do it because it's a turn on for them. Others do it to antagonise others or make them unconfortable. Most people feel unconfortable when any couples play tonsil hockey with eachother in front of people. I think it's disgusting for any couple of any sexuality to do that. Now, stop trying to virtue signal and leave me the fuck alone.



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Jumpin said:
vivster said:

There is no problem with growing up and developing different likes. What I find attractive and what not is my deal and it doesn't have anything to do with certain tendencies.

There are a lot of things in women that I don't find attractive. Body weight, skin color, size of lips, hairstyle, hair color, the shape of genitals etc. I fail to see how that is wrong or something to be ashamed of. It's just superficial. I also don't like coconut.

Sounds like you're trying to jump through hoops to not admit to being a little bit internally racist.

The definition of racism is claiming race superiority. I doubt any race is inherently superior or inferior hence I have by definition no racist tendencies. If you try to redefine racism as not liking certain things them I'm apparently racist against all races because each has their own uggos.



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Goodnightmoon said:
Yerm said:
i have a very logical mindset, and because of that I have a hard time trying to convince myself that homosexuals are perfectly normal people because logically homosexuals make no sense.

why would our species evolve to allow a man to love another man, or a woman to love another woman? biologically it make no sense, so from this mindset I can only see homosexuality as an evolutionary defect that prevents people from wanting to breed. so why do homosexuals even exist?

that being said its not like I hate gay people, in fact I have many gay friends and I wish all the best for them. i dont really want to feel this way about them, but its hard to argue with my own thoughts

Biologically makes no sense to you because you know nothing about the subject and you are looking for easy answer when this could be more complicated, as I said before homosexuality is present in hundreds of species and not only from mammals, if there is absolutely no evolutive benefit then nature would have erased this but it didn't. Look at this theory https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UsX2vfFNPak

"Biologically makes no sense to you because you know nothing about the subject and you are looking for easy answer when this could be more complicated"

I am not just looking for an easy answer, and I assure you I know plenty about biology. A lot of the science surrounding homosexuality is still very basic, choppy, and very theoretical, so yes it is more complicated. Obviously I dont understand all the inner workings of it, nobody does, and this is the best way I can think to rationalize it. If some scientist came out with a huge discovery on the science and biology of homosexuality then I would be all for it and be glad to have been proven wrong, but for now there is no such science.

"as I said before homosexuality is present in hundreds of species and not only from mammals"

Im sorry but who are you? I wasnt aware we were having a conversation, i thought I was just sharing my honest thoughts on homosexuality. Oh wait, I was.... Dont just assume that I specifically scanned through every single comment in this thread and happened to read yours before writing this. I dont know who you are, I dont know what you previously said, and I sure as hell did not write that in response to you.

"if there is absolutely no evolutive benefit then nature would have erased this but it didn't"

and right now I dont see any benefit to being homosexual, and if there was a benefit to it, then why arent we all homosexuals? the only thing that would make sense if it was a mutation, but i dont really want to say that due to the limited science backing that up.

"Look at this theory https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UsX2vfFNPak"

a loosely based theory from a source I would not call reliable. 



Otter said:
Safiir said:

Personally, I think it is. Same as a digust towards anything. I find it equally disgusting watching two gay men have sex as watching an 80 year old straight couple have sex. Though in the latter case I can't help but respect the old guy :D Our society does not teach us there's something wrong about elderly having sex. And yet I really, really don't want to watch.

lol, none of these responses we are born with. Thats like assuming that we're born with finding nudity disgusting. Many people would find a 40 YO man walking naked down the street disgusting in spite of nudity being our natural state. 

In regards to ederly sex, you're not taught that the ederly having sex is "wrong" but you are taught to over romanticise sex as oppose to seeing it as a process. Sex isn't only for the sexy. Infact everywhere in the animal kingdom sex is had in open view, its a process and not treated as a taboo as it is for us. If you lived in such a society, you're response would be very different.

 

I wouldn't find a 40 YO man walking naked down the streets disgusting. I would find it inappropriate. And that is most definitely a social taboo. Finding elderly sex disgusting, however, has nothing to do with any kind of romantic notions.

You are correct, though, in the sense that a lot of it is due to not finding elderly people as sexy and hence not being esthetically pleasing to watch.

Then again there are gerontophiles. And the much more common pedophiles. If society was what molds your preference in sexuality then those people shouldn't exist. Your preferences, your likes and dislikes, your fears and phobias...I believe those are mainly due to your DNA and to a much lesser extent due to your upbringing.

I'd like to address Jumpin's question as well - personally while I watch porn I imagine I'm the male in this fantasy. I'm a white guy. Obviously if it was any other race I'd have a much harder time associating myself with the actor. Same with games - I'd prefer a protagonist that is 20-30 year old caucasian male than a woman, kid, elderly of whatever other race.



The fact that homosexuality (specially between males) needs to be discussed and is an issue in general to many people is already mind bending to me. Why are people even troubled with somebodies sexuality that doesn't matches theirs. Just love who you want to love and let others do the same :)



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Yerm said:
Goodnightmoon said:

Biologically makes no sense to you because you know nothing about the subject and you are looking for easy answer when this could be more complicated, as I said before homosexuality is present in hundreds of species and not only from mammals, if there is absolutely no evolutive benefit then nature would have erased this but it didn't. Look at this theory https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UsX2vfFNPak

"Biologically makes no sense to you because you know nothing about the subject and you are looking for easy answer when this could be more complicated"

I am not just looking for an easy answer, and I assure you I know plenty about biology. A lot of the science surrounding homosexuality is still very basic, choppy, and very theoretical, so yes it is more complicated. Obviously I dont understand all the inner workings of it, nobody does, and this is the best way I can think to rationalize it. If some scientist came out with a huge discovery on the science and biology of homosexuality then I would be all for it and be glad to have been proven wrong, but for now there is no such science.

"as I said before homosexuality is present in hundreds of species and not only from mammals"

Im sorry but who are you? I wasnt aware we were having a conversation, i thought I was just sharing my honest thoughts on homosexuality. Oh wait, I was.... Dont just assume that I specifically scanned through every single comment in this thread and happened to read yours before writing this. I dont know who you are, I dont know what you previously said, and I sure as hell did not write that in response to you.

"if there is absolutely no evolutive benefit then nature would have erased this but it didn't"

and right now I dont see any benefit to being homosexual, and if there was a benefit to it, then why arent we all homosexuals? the only thing that would make sense if it was a mutation, but i dont really want to say that due to the limited science backing that up.

"Look at this theory https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UsX2vfFNPak"

a loosely based theory from a source I would not call reliable. 

I wrote "as I say before" because i was repeating myself and some people do read all comments.

Is not just a mutation, that makes zero sense since is present in other species and has been like that for milions of years, more than enought time for nature to erase it. It may not be a benefit for the individuals but as a species it may be benefitial in some way, just because the reason is not obvious it doen't mean is not there. 



I don't have a problem with gay people or gay marriage, but I for one wouldn't try it because I am a straight person. The same can be said for most other straight guys.



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vivster said:
Jumpin said:

Sounds like you're trying to jump through hoops to not admit to being a little bit internally racist.

The definition of racism is claiming race superiority. I doubt any race is inherently superior or inferior hence I have by definition no racist tendencies. If you try to redefine racism as not liking certain things them I'm apparently racist against all races because each has their own uggos.

No, that's the definition of racial supremacy. Racism is discrimination or prejudice based on race or ethnicity:  which your porn habits are guilty of. You are defining racism too narrowly because you do not want to fall under that label.



I describe myself as a little dose of toxic masculinity.

I dont care about gay people, gay marriage or gay rights. IMO, its bizarre that at this time and age this is still a social issue, at least in 1st world countries. If two people love each other and want to marry, what do I care if they are of the same gender.
The only time a person's sexuality matters its whe you are trying to have a relationship with said person.



You are likely influenced by a society that deems homosexual acts between men as something disguting. Even if we are rational beings, we are still affected by irrational views in society that comes from old traditions, religions and so on. You have an irrational view on homosexuality but you seem to be aware of it soi wouldn't say you are homophobic, bur rather on the way to maybe not see it as something disgusting in the future?