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VGPolyglot said:
vivster said:

And now what? Why would I even want to desensitize myself? I desensitized myself to a lot of things but that was because I wanted to or because it happened naturally. There are a lot of things I don't want to be desensitized about.

Well, why wouldn't you want to be desensizited to it? It's not it's violence or drug use, there's no need to be sensitive towards it, as it's not something dangerous.

Because I have better things to do? For example watching things I do like.



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Yerm said:
i have a very logical mindset, and because of that I have a hard time trying to convince myself that homosexuals are perfectly normal people because logically homosexuals make no sense.

why would our species evolve to allow a man to love another man, or a woman to love another woman? biologically it make no sense, so from this mindset I can only see homosexuality as an evolutionary defect that prevents people from wanting to breed. so why do homosexuals even exist?

that being said its not like I hate gay people, in fact I have many gay friends and I wish all the best for them. i dont really want to feel this way about them, but its hard to argue with my own thoughts

But what does this statement mean? Most people are not "perfectly normal". Some people have hayfever, some have short sightedness, some have hyperactive motobolism which maybe works well in western worlds but would be a problem in the wild when they need to store fat. Blue eyes are a mutation and people poccessing them are a minority, so are they not "normal"? The word means very little when you think about it ;)

Where evolution is concerned. Life wants to maintain life, people shouldn't mistake this for everyone "breeding". There are many species where breeding is only for select individuals (like the apex female/male of a wolf pack) and others members of the society play helpers roles. One of the most popular theories of why humans and killer whales go through menopause also support that. When you're a social species, that too is built into our DNA, and the maintainance of society is more than just everyone breeding.

Another theory relates to homosexuality being a likely an offshoot of high female sexual reproductivity, so judging the evolutionary validity is a bit more complex than looking at the fact that a gay couple can't procreate.



Kyuu said:
The next thing you know, you'll have to accept getting jackhammered in the butt to not be considered homophobe!

Also your friend circle has to be 50% black, 50% Asian and 50% Muslim to not be a racist. And don't you dare have a girlfriend that's not at least bi sexual.



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Kyuu said:
The next thing you know, you'll have to accept getting jackhammered in the butt to not be considered homophobe!

Yes, that is the next thing. The VERY next thing.



Aeolus451 said:
I'm a little similar. I don't find homosexuals being romantic as disgusting but it can be disgusting like anyone else can be. I don't like it when they kiss or act overly gay in front of people to get attention, make a statement or get a rise out of people. It's not doing their cause to be accepted any favors acting like that. It's the quickest way to get me to not like a gay person.

 

Aeolus451 said:
Goodnightmoon said:

The op is not homophobe but you are borderline

No, I'm not. Reread what I wrote. You're likely misunderstanding me. I'm completely fine with homosexuals but not with everything they do especially when they're trying to push boundaries by doing things to get a rise out of people. On the flip side of this. if a straight couple or people went into an area with alot of gay, started making out or going than that in front of everyone to get a rise out. It's just as disgusting as when gay people do that to straight people. 

You say that you don't like when they kiss or when they act gay in fron of people, then you compare that with a straight couple making out in front of gays "to get a rise out of people" but why would a straight couple making out get a rise out of gay people? that wouldn't happen at all, nobody would take that as a provocation, the problem here is that you see a provocation in the oppossite situation because you don't really like a lot gay people and that is made pretty obvious by your first sentence "I don't find homosexuals being romantic as disgusting" which suggest you do find homosexuals being romantic kind of disgusting, something only an homophobe would say, and from an homophobe pov gay people doing gay things are always creating a provocation, a call for attention, pushing boundaries and shit like that.



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Locknuts said:

In fact the more I rationalise it, the more I fail to see a problem with homosexual relationships. So why then do I feel sick when I think of two men performing homosexual acts? I have rationalised it, jusified it morally and accepted it, but seriously the thought of two guys going at it really does make me nauseous. 

Being presented with gay imagary basically gives me the same feeling as being presented with images of beastiality. 

Two women? It's strange but not vomit inducing. But not great either. 

This is perfectly normal.

We all have our likes and dislikes. Gay men typically find the vagina repulsive/gross/unappealing... And hardcore lesbians would pull out the butchers knife if they saw a weener.

HintHRO said:
As a straight man, I really like anal. Our G-spot is located there you know. You should try it ;). Maybe you'll turn gay, isn't that awesome?!

Over the years I have found this to be more common than you think. And some women don't mind being a little bit dominating either.

Dark_Lord_2008 said:
Gay marriage must be accepted by people in western countries. Just accepting people being homosexuals is not enough you must embrace gay marriage. Gay marriage is a step towards true equality and in line with the political correctness that is entrenched in western countries.

If Same-sex marriage is political correctness... Then sign me the fuck up.

It's actually a human rights issue. Not a political issue, so you can stop trying to make it one.

AlfredoTurkey said:

I believe full blown homosexuality is something that is in the DNA. It's not a choice.

Cause for homosexuality is ultimately irrellevant. What two consenting adults do between themselves is their business. And theirs alone.

With that, I think you will find that the general consensus on Homosexuality's actual cause is both Environmental and Biological factors with no real definitive conclusion... Sexuality is a spectrum, it's not just black and white, straight and gay.

Many religious organizations have tried "correctional" therapy over the decades... And let me tell you. Some of those people spend the rest of their lives miserable and broken. It just doesn't work. And it's almost like torture. It's horrible.
Just let people live their lives the way they wish, especially when they aren't hurting anyone, it's not hard.

Yerm said:
i have a very logical mindset, and because of that I have a hard time trying to convince myself that homosexuals are perfectly normal people because logically homosexuals make no sense.

Many animals utilise homosexuality to raise neglected/orphaned offspring.

And because Homosexuality is observed in hundreds/thousands of animal species, it is a part of nature. Thus it is natural.

Homophobia however, like all phobias is a legitimate mental illness, help and therapy does exist if you require it.



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vivster said:
VGPolyglot said:

You can condition yourself to  tolerate it, much like how he's been conditioned to have a negative reaction to it.

The fuck? Next thing you're telling me is that you can condition yourself to not be gay. It's called irrational for a reason. That means there is not logical reason to it.

And why should someone try to condition himself to like something he doesn't like? I don't like smoking but hell no will I try to condition myself to like it. What the fuck is it to you what someone likes and not?

I don't like interracial porn, should I fuck a black woman now to "heal" myself so I can be accepted by you? The fuck.

There is a rational explanation: you have a bit of internalized racism. It is probably no fault of your own, but through cultural conditioning. With hetero sexuality, it wouldn't be homophobic to not have an interest in gay porn if it is not out of disgust; it's simply because you don't have an interest in homosexual sex. On the other hand, if you like straight porn, but not if it deals with black people, then there's no other explanation other than racism.

I have a similar issue with overweight people, I do not like seeing them naked or having sex, and I feel a little disgusted doing so. But I can trace the reason for my feelings: and that was the culture I was raised in which was that fat = bad. Being fat was equial to being greedy and of low intelligence. That is internalized within me. While I know that upbringing is false, it is something stuck in my psyche.

But I didn't grow up in a racist culture (in fact, I thought racism was a myth until I was like 16 or 17) and so the idea of someone liking porn but not liking interracial relations almost seems ludicrous to me. Ludicrous on the same level of not liking relationships with people of different eye colours or different hair colours, or even because one is taller than the other. But I understand the reasoning behind it due to my similar situation dealing with overweight/fat people.



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Genderbender for thought and discussion:

Hey everyone,

I just though I'd give my opinion on heterosexuality here and feel free to let me know if I fit the definition of 'heterophobic'.

I'm not agnostic in any way, in fact I'm Christian. So I wouldn't dare use some lack of belief to try to judge heterosexual acts morally. Heterosexuality, in most cases, is a consensual relationship that in no way violates the non-aggression principle. In a relationship between two or more people, this is key. Where it is not consensual, it is rape and therefore illegal. 

In fact the more I rationalise it, the more I fail to see a problem with heterosexual relationships. So why then do I feel sick when I think of a guy and a girl performing hetero acts? I have rationalised it, jusified it morally and accepted it, but seriously the thought of a guy and a girl going at it really does make me nauseous. 

Being presented with heterosexual imagary basically gives me the same feeling as being presented with images of beastiality. 

Two of the opposite sex than me? It's strange but not vomit inducing. But not great either. 

I'm also not into vaginal sex at all so that's probably got something to do with it (it makes my vagina sore - kidding).

I don't think this is something that I've been taught to find disgusting since it is all around me and my parents are hetero, I think it's built into me (born this way).

It does bother me a little that all of society's structure tells me that what I feel inside is not normal and that I may not be wanted in it.  I try to ignore it, but nothing is completely untouched by the normalcy of heterosexual acts and traditions: video games, movie plots/subplots, others talking about their sexual desires, ads for every product you can think of, laws, and even the disgust and hate of others toward feelings and love like mine.  Even the traditions that I was raised in, believe in and have grown to love seem to not be mine according to most of society's declarations.  They would prefer to ignore I even exist.  I am not allowed any ties or heritage.  I am a lost soul, not lost in Christ, but lost in the world. It can be hard to make friends due to this too or for others to understand odd feelings like really caring for my best friends of the same sex in ways that I might for friends of the opposite sex.  Not sexually, but unconditionally.  I mean, what is so wrong with me loving someone?  That just because I, me personally, love, that makes the love wrong.  Even a similar love to your friends or family, or to your country or favorite game company.  Love is important to people, to our life, to our society, to our world.  So why is this feeling of care and enjoyment to be around someone, if mutual, and sharing life with that person, in whatever degree, wrong?  Why am I, in who I am, wrong and their feeling, however similar, though classified hetero, is right?  They would like for me to stop feeling.  To stop my natural happiness and joy.  To be a stoic robotic tool in society without a personality, aside from a fear of being different to keep it all in check.  Anything else, and they make me feel unwanted, undesired, unloved.

I would call a lot of hetero people I've met friends. Some showed blatant signs of their sexuality later than others but nothing changed our friendship when they did. Some are incredibly nice people, though not always understanding, others do try really hard.  They have so much confirmation of who they are all around them in society so I understand the struggle it may be to be open to me.  Aside from achieving their life dreams of having a family with children, a group of friends to do everything they love, and a job that helps them reach the height of what they can be, these are some of their toughest decisions: accepting others and knowing how to react if they encounter someone different.  My toughest decision is deciding if it is safe to go into public and learning to accept myself so that I might have the confidence to be anything at all before I die, which very well might be alone.

So am I heterophobic?



Jumpin said:
vivster said:

The fuck? Next thing you're telling me is that you can condition yourself to not be gay. It's called irrational for a reason. That means there is not logical reason to it.

And why should someone try to condition himself to like something he doesn't like? I don't like smoking but hell no will I try to condition myself to like it. What the fuck is it to you what someone likes and not?

I don't like interracial porn, should I fuck a black woman now to "heal" myself so I can be accepted by you? The fuck.

There is a rational explanation: you have a bit of internalized racism. It is probably no fault of your own, but through cultural conditioning. With hetero sexuality, it wouldn't be homophobic to not have an interest in gay porn if it is not out of disgust; it's simply because you don't have an interest in homosexual sex. On the other hand, if you like straight porn, but not if it deals with black people, then there's no other explanation other than racism.

I have a similar issue with overweight people, I do not like seeing them naked or having sex, and I feel a little disgusted doing so. But I can trace the reason for my feelings: and that was the culture I was raised in which was that fat = bad. Being fat was equial to being greedy and of low intelligence. That is internalized within me. While I know that upbringing is false, it is something stuck in my psyche.

But I didn't grow up in a racist culture (in fact, I thought racism was a myth until I was like 16 or 17) and so the idea of someone liking porn but not liking interracial relations almost seems ludicrous to me. Ludicrous on the same level of not liking relationships with people of different eye colours or different hair colours, or even because one is taller than the other. But I understand the reasoning behind it due to my similar situation dealing with overweight/fat people.

There is no problem with growing up and developing different likes. What I find attractive and what not is my deal and it doesn't have anything to do with certain tendencies.

There are a lot of things in women that I don't find attractive. Body weight, skin color, size of lips, hairstyle, hair color, the shape of genitals etc. I fail to see how that is wrong or something to be ashamed of. It's just superficial. I also don't like coconut.



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vivster said:
Jumpin said:

There is a rational explanation: you have a bit of internalized racism. It is probably no fault of your own, but through cultural conditioning. With hetero sexuality, it wouldn't be homophobic to not have an interest in gay porn if it is not out of disgust; it's simply because you don't have an interest in homosexual sex. On the other hand, if you like straight porn, but not if it deals with black people, then there's no other explanation other than racism.

I have a similar issue with overweight people, I do not like seeing them naked or having sex, and I feel a little disgusted doing so. But I can trace the reason for my feelings: and that was the culture I was raised in which was that fat = bad. Being fat was equial to being greedy and of low intelligence. That is internalized within me. While I know that upbringing is false, it is something stuck in my psyche.

But I didn't grow up in a racist culture (in fact, I thought racism was a myth until I was like 16 or 17) and so the idea of someone liking porn but not liking interracial relations almost seems ludicrous to me. Ludicrous on the same level of not liking relationships with people of different eye colours or different hair colours, or even because one is taller than the other. But I understand the reasoning behind it due to my similar situation dealing with overweight/fat people.

There is no problem with growing up and developing different likes. What I find attractive and what not is my deal and it doesn't have anything to do with certain tendencies.

There are a lot of things in women that I don't find attractive. Body weight, skin color, size of lips, hairstyle, hair color, the shape of genitals etc. I fail to see how that is wrong or something to be ashamed of. It's just superficial. I also don't like coconut.

Sounds like you're trying to jump through hoops to not admit to being a little bit internally racist.



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