Sony knows that it takes more than just processing power to win a console generation. This gen is JUST getting warmed up. I would like to see another 3-4 years pass before we hear anything about the PS5.

1st bold, you should check that history, because everyone knows they delay it because they had problems mass producing the blu ray drives. It had  little to nothing with milking the ps2.

2nd bold... Going from 8 cores cpu to a 6 or 4 core cpu, makes total sense...

Modes are probably the most simplistic way of having various graphic sliders.  And that's what consoles are really for, gaming at some of its most simplistic.  I wouldn't doubt it if MS follows suit with the Scorpio.

And PC space being the key words there.  Consoles are usually a couple years behind in terms of what is considered higher end.  Of course, that's the trade off for having a decently specced $399 box.  There's still a chance that the PS4 will use HBM3.  However, if costs are too high (though, I've read HBM3 is supposed to be cheaper to make) or it's not ready in time, they may go with HBM2.  Not the newest tech, but sufficient.  I guess there's also a chance they go with GDDR6, if it also launches in time for significant cost reductions by the time the PS5 launches.

Late next year for sure and it's code name will be "Trinity" (because PS5, PSVR 2.0 and Vita 2.0) ;)
In all seriousness, I'm a strong believer of a Fall 2019 release date for PS5.

Nah. Having it completely transparent from the end-user is better. Having "modes" is terrible. Microsoft's approach with Scorpio is cleaner and superior.
Games that aren't Scorpio-optimised will still see increases in resolutions (Up-to 1080P) if the game uses a Dynamic resolution approach and 60fps (If the framerate is uncapped.)
And the console will apply 16x Anisotropic Filtering.

Sony's approach is to turn off half the hardware, which is a blatant waste of resources that could be used to make games better.

A console manufacturer will go with whatever is financially feasible.
A console will *never* have enthusiast levels of PC hardware. (Which is why peoples hopes of Scorpio having Ryzen was comical.)

GDDR6 should start gaining traction by the end of this year, GDDR5X was mostly just a stop-gap anyway.
HBM3 should start gaining traction by the end of 2019... I expect Next Gen to kickstart in 2020.

Thanks to having more stacks and a higher density per layer, we could be looking at double to triple the capacity of HBM2. And if things pan out, could be a drop-in replacement for HBM2.

Pretty much this. People are forgetting the chronological order of events or are on purpose starting their order of events from the Scorpio reveal at E3. 

Neo rumours with specs came about early last year, Panello or someone then hinted at Scorpio months later. Pro says officially announced and then released shortly after at the end of the year. 

Sony pretty much made an affordable mid gen premium PS4 for the hardcore. 

MS on the other hand more than likely panicked on Neo news during a gen where they already are being destroyed and also lacking vr option at a time when vr was a buzz word and decided to announce early at E3 for a console that was designed as a reaction to vr buzz at the time and the Neo. 

The Scorpio in my opinion had to go heavier on specs since they didn't have their own vr headset, meaning they had to match the minimum spec requirements of the Vive and Oculus. 

In fact is such a strong reaction they are treating it like a new console launch. Like the two consoles before they've cut off exclusive games to just their key franchises and will probably focuse on games again for the Scorpio. 

Sony don't need to react. 

Ah, I was in the thread but that wasn't the focus of the thread. Was it?

But if Scorpio is truly a response then maybe it should have launched sooner? That's the hole in the argument.

I feel like saving on costs is the problem. I think PS4 Pro should have been $500 with better specs.

Would that be too expensive? Probably, but if you're going to buy a 4K TV then you probably are open to buying a $500 console that can better take advantage of it. The PS4 Pro would inevitably lower in price as well.

In the past I thought it was crucial for Scorpio to be $399. But those on budget should just buy the X1 S, which will likely be $250 when Scropio launches. It plays all the same games anyway. Scropio being $499 wouldn't matter (although I do hope its $399), it should focus on power, its a niche device. PS4 Pro is a niche device as well because the standard PS4 plays the same games for a lower price.

We're talking about when PS5 is going to happen because Sony didn't push enough power in the PS4 Pro, people want a more powerful device.

Credible rumors started appearing for PS4 around summer to late 2012 for the PS4, then known as PS Orbis if u recall. The fact it was gonna use an AMD APU with 8 cores and Radeon graphics was leaked.

I bet summer 2018 is when we'll hear rumors about PS5, provided it's slated for Holiday 2019.

Sony will be looking at how much Scorpio (and Switch) is impacting PS4 sales and base their release schedule on that.

TBH i hope not too soon. happy with the original ps4 specs.

it be cool if next gen was like 20TFLOPS or something. Surely by then they will be able to guarantee 60fp for 1080p and even 4K???? Also it will be a good grunt increase for the Virtual games.