I found the inverted comma's around 'leak' so funny. I can just imagine papers fall out of Mark Ceny's back pocket on a random street in Tokyo that just so happens to be Famitsu headquaters.

I think we will start hearing about the PS5 in late 2018 since it'll come out in late 2019...

They'd have that, and more, with a Ryzen 1700 and a Vega 10. Both of those are releasing this year.  Two years worth of refinements and price cuts would definitely make it possible to stick those in a $399 machine.

Yea, those Twitter leaks are always fun.

The 10 year plan just refers to how long they plan to support it, not how long before the next system launches.

The Pro isn't rushed, at all. Not like it's facing massive HW failures. As for power, they purposely designed it to just double up on the GPU to save on costs, while still being decently powerful.  It is just a mid-gen refresh, after all, not a new gen of HW. Doubt you'll be saying they could have just waited about the Scorpio if we start hearing about a much more powerful PS5 sometime next year.

Somewhere around '19 to '21. Sony doesn't really need to do anything but keep releasing games like they've been since their console is selling so well.

Sony had a full year to prepare for a better and stronger PS4 Pro revision. E3 may hold some big surprises.

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8336291

Then you have selective memory. You participated in that thread.

Rumors about iterative hardware came from Sony first, with MS following months later. Time that with the release of Pro, which is half a year ago vs Scorpio which is half a year from now. As far as Pro being thought out, well, they're the market leader. What would Sony have to gain by making a system that uses completely new tech from the Og Ps4? Not much, and they'd lose the faith of their core consumer.

What does Ms have to gain by making a system using new tech? Well, for starters, this "reboot" will allow them to rebrand themselves - something that's much more meaningful when you've lost a massive amount of marketshare to your primary competitor.

Point is the objective of each mid gen refresh is different. Sony wants to keep people in their ecosystem, MS wants to draw people into their ecosystem.

so many variable, and its during these times i miss Ken Kutaragi the most, he always thought out of the box in terms of hardware yeah sure he CELL almost killed Sony but still.

Anyways I dont think anyone will argue Cerny will be the architect for PS5 as well and its probably underdevelopment right now also probably AMD and Sony are working on designing the next custom APU based on Zen architecture and vega and they will have certain Teraflops target I assume 12 tf. Probably will move away from GDDR5 ram and will go with DDR4, by that time it will be more main stream and cheaper.. Dont think GDDR5x will show up due to cost factor. anything above 12gb will be overkill, improving bandwith will be the focus here.

The main thing I think both next xbox will playstation will have is Dual storage system, 120gb UFS/SSD/M2 as a scratch disk of sort, which will significantly improve loading times and improve streaming in open world games. and other will be normal 2tb mechanical drive for storing games and media.

But before I conclude I m pretty sure Sony world wide studio is currently developing their current games for PS5 as well, and I wont be surprised if the next The Last of US Part 2, Death Stranding, and Horizon zero Dawn 2 will be the first years title for PS5 as well as for PS4.

OH abt the OT i think we will start hearing rumor around the time of scorpio release. which is by the end of this year.

Sony will wait and see how the Scorpio does. No sense rushing when the PS4 Pro is a very good system that will cost less. Sony essentially put a stop gap in between the PS4 pro and Scorpio. The Pro will get a price drop right around the time the Scorpio goes on sale. If the Scorpio looks like it does good then Sony will release information on a PS5. I bet they already have a roadmap in line with AMD releases for future consoles based on sales and competition. Hell the Xbone is pretty much irrelevant at this point anyway.

The only thing I expect from a Pro revision is a smaller form factor and maybe a UHD Bluray player. Other than that, I doubt they'll touch the specs any.

I doubt they'll use DDR4 for the RAM.  Well, maybe a couple GBs could be used for the OS, but I don't believe anyone is using it for GPUs.  I think Sony will use HBM2, which AMD uses in their higher end GPUs.

Ryzen will be used in AMD's next gen APU's.

Jaguar was meant for Small-Form-Factor PC's, Netbooks, Low-End Desktops, Laptops and Tablets.
It's an evolutionary update over Bobcat and was replaced by Puma and Puma+. (Aka. Beema, Mullins and Carizzo-L.)
It was never AMD's mainstream or high-end chip.

AMD will likely give an update to it's Cat cores which should hit lower powerlevels than Zen, AMD has finite resources though, so it might take a little time, but it's overdue as Puma+ released a couple years ago now.

The Playstation 4 Pro could have been executed a little better though. Having different performance "modes" isn't the most ideal approach.

Dear lord. I hope it's not Zen and Vega for next gen, they will be outdated and slow by the time next gen starts.

"Improving bandwidth will be the focus here". - But then you support the idea that DDR4 will replace GDDR5 or GDDR5X? You do realise at the same clockrate and bus width that GDDR5X and GDDR5X has twice the bandwidth, right?

12GB will not be enough for next gen. 16GB at a minimum. If stacked DRAM gains momentum over the next few years, don't be surprised to see 24-32GB.

I hope both Microsoft and Sony have a small TLC NAND drive to reduce console costs... But then allow for additional mechanical drives on top of it for higher tiered consoles.
Microsoft has shown it can seamlessly combine multiple storage mediums.

HBM2 should be replaced by then.

The PC space moves fast. You can't expect today's technology to be the standard in 3 years time.