Mr Puggsly said:
aLkaLiNE said:
http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8336291
Then you have selective memory. You participated in that thread.
Rumors about iterative hardware came from Sony first, with MS following months later. Time that with the release of Pro, which is half a year ago vs Scorpio which is half a year from now. As far as Pro being thought out, well, they're the market leader. What would Sony have to gain by making a system that uses completely new tech from the Og Ps4? Not much, and they'd lose the faith of their core consumer.
What does Ms have to gain by making a system using new tech? Well, for starters, this "reboot" will allow them to rebrand themselves - something that's much more meaningful when you've lost a massive amount of marketshare to your primary competitor.
Point is the objective of each mid gen refresh is different. Sony wants to keep people in their ecosystem, MS wants to draw people into their ecosystem.
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Ah, I was in the thread but that wasn't the focus of the thread. Was it?
But if Scorpio is truly a response then maybe it should have launched sooner? That's the hole in the argument.
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Uh, that actually supports his argument. If MS didn't really have any plans for a mid-gen upgrade, but heard Sony was releasing one, it would take them a year longer to release their own. Common sense. If they had already been working on it as long as Sony had, then most likely it would have launched the same year. They've "announced" it twice, now, but we have yet to see the actual console itself. They definitely started later than Sony.
Mr Puggsly said:
thismeintiel said:
They'd have that, and more, with a Ryzen 1700 and a Vega 10. Both of those are releasing this year. Two years worth of refinements and price cuts would definitely make it possible to stick those in a $399 machine.
Yea, those Twitter leaks are always fun. 
The 10 year plan just refers to how long they plan to support it, not how long before the next system launches.
The Pro isn't rushed, at all. Not like it's facing massive HW failures. As for power, they purposely designed it to just double up on the GPU to save on costs, while still being decently powerful. It is just a mid-gen refresh, after all, not a new gen of HW. Doubt you'll be saying they could have just waited about the Scorpio if we start hearing about a much more powerful PS5 sometime next year.
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I feel like saving on costs is the problem. I think PS4 Pro should have been $500 with better specs.
Would that be too expensive? Probably, but if you're going to buy a 4K TV then you probably are open to buying a $500 console that can better take advantage of it. The PS4 Pro would inevitably lower in price as well.
In the past I thought it was crucial for Scorpio to be $399. But those on budget should just buy the X1 S, which will likely be $250 when Scropio launches. It plays all the same games anyway. Scropio being $499 wouldn't matter (although I do hope its $399), it should focus on power, its a niche device. PS4 Pro is a niche device as well because the standard PS4 plays the same games for a lower price.
We're talking about when PS5 is going to happen because Sony didn't push enough power in the PS4 Pro, people want a more powerful device.
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Saving costs was the right way to go. Especially for a mid-gen console with no exclusives. It'll allow the Pro to drop in price quicker, which will push it to creeping closer to being 30%-40% of all PS4's sold. That ratio will probably go up further once it hits $199-$249. If you shoot too high, and price it at $499, then an extremely small number will buy it. Sure, you may make a profit off of each one sold, but you'll never get those R&D losses covered. If the Pro is weaker, yet sells 10M+ more than the Scorpio, that's a much better outcome than having the spec bragging rights for 1-2 years while you sell a couple of million units. And trust me, the Xbox division needs this to be a success. I doubt they want any more funding cut from their division.
And no, we're talking about the PS5 specs because this gen is actually in its last half. There's a pretty damn good shot we are going to start hearing about it next year.
Turkish said:
Credible rumors started appearing for PS4 around summer to late 2012 for the PS4, then known as PS Orbis if u recall. The fact it was gonna use an AMD APU with 8 cores and Radeon graphics was leaked.
I bet summer 2018 is when we'll hear rumors about PS5, provided it's slated for Holiday 2019.
Sony will be looking at how much Scorpio (and Switch) is impacting PS4 sales and base their release schedule on that.
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I think 2019 was the plan all along. 3 years for the OG PS4 to be on the market by itself, then 3 years for the Pro to be on the market. I don't think they would have changed that. However, I do believe that if the Scorpio had been more powerful and seemed closer to a next gen system, they would have changed their announcement schedule. Some controlled leaks this holiday, just to hint that the PS5 is going to blow the Scorpio out of the water, power-wise. Then, announce at E3 2018, with the same Holiday 2019 launch. As it is, though, I think we'll just start seeing the normal leaks we usually get about a 1 1/2 years or so before launch. Probably the same early announcement we saw with the PS4, in 2019, with a release in Nov of that year.
Cobretti2 said:
TBH i hope not too soon. happy with the original ps4 specs.
it be cool if next gen was like 20TFLOPS or something. Surely by then they will be able to guarantee 60fp for 1080p and even 4K???? Also it will be a good grunt increase for the Virtual games. |
For a 20+Tflops GPU, we'd probably be waiting til 2020, maybe 2021. The problem with that, though, is consoles are always a couple years behind in tech, especialy when it comes to GPUs, mainly because one is set upon while the PC GPU space continues to evolve each year. It also allows the costs of those GPUs to drop before the system needs to be mass-produced. But, that means it wouldn't be until 2022-2023 til we got a PS5. Sony isn't waiting that long. Maybe in a PS5 Pro, we'll get one of AMD's next GPU family, the Navi.
There is an outside shot that if AMD gets the Vega 20 out in time (it's planned for release next year), Sony may use it. That's a 15+Tflops GPU. Which would probably make it 13.5-14Tflops in a PS5 if Sony pares it down.
