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When Will We Get PS5 Leaks?

Shortly Before The Scorpio Launches 45 10.07%
 
Shortly After The Scorpio Luanches (2017) 13 2.91%
 
Early-Mid 2018 83 18.57%
 
Late 2018 163 36.47%
 
PS5 Isn't Launching Til 2021 143 31.99%
 
Total:447
Soundwave on 07 April 2017
thismeintiel said:
Soundwave said:

I think people are honestly going to start getting tired of graphics being the only new thing these two are bringing to table.

Once you get past PS4/XB1 IMO, you reach a level of graphical fidelity that is good enough for many people.

That's why PS4 Pro is not impressing consumers ... it's just the same games that look about the same, just shinier. Most people don't care. 

Not a lot of people are going to want to buy an entirely new TV just to get 4K graphics either, and I'll be honest the jump from 1080p to 4K is nowhere as noticable as the jump from square-box SDTV sets to thin HDTVs.  

I think Sony should sit back and wait. VR is far more interesting, work on developing that.

I would not be surprised if you hear nothing on PS5 until 2019 and no release until 2020.

Except graphics AREN'T the only thing these two are bringing.  They are also bringing great games. A lot of people like great games that also look great.  And the reason the PS4 Pro isn't burning up the charts, other than Sony doesn't seem to be supplying chains with more units, is because it isn't meant to.  I mean, maybe when it hits $199-$249, it'll start out selling a $149 PS4 S.  But, until then, it's just meant as a 2x upgrade for people who are interested in that sort of thing.  Most people, though, are happy spending less money and getting a system that plays the same games, just not quite as good.  Once the PS5 is announced, you'll see the excitement for new HW come back to the core market.

As for 4K TVs, those are already being purchased at a very good rate.  We already have ~15% of homes with 4K TVs in the US.  That will only grow as the prices continue to fall and Black Friday deals help push sales.  The same thing happened with 1080p TVs.  And the jump is very noticable when you have good 4K content displaying on it.

Pemalite said:

8GB HBM2 won't be enough. This is next-gen we are talking about, Scorpio is the pinnical of this gens technical achievements as far as consoles are concerned.

Plus Vega can use 100% of that HBM2 memory on graphics alone. A console can not, even if you move the OS onto a seperate DRAM package, not all that Ram can be used for graphics, the games codebase and datasets need to be somewhere.


I think you might be a little bit confused. Textures are mapped onto objects, they aren't bit-for-bit matched with a display.

Then, 16GB it may very well be.

And, I guess I should have said higher res textures.  Still, my point stands.  We can always push it more.

I'm saying graphics are going to become less of a factor now as time goes on. IMO many studios can't even afford to push the graphics much further so all that extra hardware is going to be for like 3-4 studios that actually have the budget to make 1 or 2 games that cost roughly about the same as a big budget Hollywood movie, and if said game flops, that studio is likely out of business. 

Sony should milk the PS4/PS4 Pro for as long as they can IMO. 

I think even to 2021/22 might be a good idea. Internet fanboys who just need to brag that their system is better and trying to appease them is not a sound business strategy going forward. 

I have a 4KTV, a pretty high end one, when demoing it basically the response I get from my "average friends" is "oh yeah, that's cool I guess, it looks a bit brighter". No one is blown away, people who think 4K is going to drive system adoption in the future as going to be in for a rude awakening IMO. Most regular people are not going to give a fuck, it's like the difference from going from CD to Super Audio CD and DVD Audio, the general public didn't give a shit because CD sounded good enough, in fact the market went in the totally opposite direction embracing MP3 digital audio.



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thismeintiel on 07 April 2017
jonathanalis said:
meanwhile, a ps4 pro slim, a splimmer standard ps4, or even a portable/hybrid digital only 1080p screen ps4p.
I really cant see ps5 before 2021.

Lol, that's not happening.  The only way Sony is getting back into the HH market is if the Switch actually keeps performing well and eventually goes on to outsell the 3DS.  If sales falter and it doesn't sell on par with the 3DS, Sony is going to remain uninterested.



 

xl-klaudkil on 07 April 2017

Omg, ps5 2020.
Games make a console sell not specs



 

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thismeintiel on 07 April 2017
Soundwave said:
thismeintiel said:

Except graphics AREN'T the only thing these two are bringing.  They are also bringing great games. A lot of people like great games that also look great.  And the reason the PS4 Pro isn't burning up the charts, other than Sony doesn't seem to be supplying chains with more units, is because it isn't meant to.  I mean, maybe when it hits $199-$249, it'll start out selling a $149 PS4 S.  But, until then, it's just meant as a 2x upgrade for people who are interested in that sort of thing.  Most people, though, are happy spending less money and getting a system that plays the same games, just not quite as good.  Once the PS5 is announced, you'll see the excitement for new HW come back to the core market.

As for 4K TVs, those are already being purchased at a very good rate.  We already have ~15% of homes with 4K TVs in the US.  That will only grow as the prices continue to fall and Black Friday deals help push sales.  The same thing happened with 1080p TVs.  And the jump is very noticable when you have good 4K content displaying on it.

Then, 16GB it may very well be.

And, I guess I should have said higher res textures.  Still, my point stands.  We can always push it more.

I'm saying graphics are going to become less of a factor now as time goes on. IMO many studios can't even afford to push the graphics much further so all that extra hardware is going to be for like 3-4 studios that actually have the budget to make 1 or 2 games that cost roughly about the same as a big budget Hollywood movie, and if said game flops, that studio is likely out of business. 

Sony should milk the PS4/PS4 Pro for as long as they can IMO. 

I think even to 2021/22 might be a good idea. Internet fanboys who just need to brag that their system is better and trying to appease them is not a sound business strategy going forward. 

I have a 4KTV, a pretty high end one, when demoing it basically the response I get from my "average friends" is "oh yeah, that's cool I guess, it looks a bit brighter". No one is blown away, people who think 4K is going to drive system adoption in the future as going to be in for a rude awakening IMO. Most regular people are not going to give a fuck, it's like the difference from going from CD to Super Audio CD and DVD Audio, the general public didn't give a shit because CD sounded good enough, in fact the market went in the totally opposite direction embracing MP3 digital audio.

It really just depends on how easy the console is to develop for and how competent the devs are.  The PS4 is probably much cheaper to develop for than something like the PS3.  And some of the AA games coming out, now, look on par with some of the AAA games of last gen.  I doubt they are spending that much more on development, since they know their games aren't going to sell gangbusters.

Improved visuals have always been a big draw to upgrading your console.  Ever since the beginning.  Hell, some people didn't think the PS4 was that big a leap over the PS3 and figured it wouldn't sell that great.  Look at where we are, now.  It's outpacing the PS2, currently, and is well on its way to doing 100M+.  I'm sure something similar will happen with the PS5.  People thinking the difference isn't that great, and PS4 is good enough, but it will still sell well.  Your example more accurately describes the HH market and mobile gaming.  People already had phones on them.  They play games, though not many are great, but they don't care.  It's good enough.



 

Robert_Downey_Jr. on 07 April 2017
thismeintiel said:
Robert_Downey_Jr. said:
I hope they reveal in 2019 and launch in September or earlier that year. Switch has shown that you'll have good launch sales especially with coming off of PS4. Then you'll get a SECOND big surge at the holidays instead of having both your surges combine. Get the launch out of the way in September then JUST when stock catches up BAM the holiday surge hits. You easily get a million more systems out by years end and get a huge start to your system by not having launch and holidays at once.

That actually is pretty smart.  Though, I think the best would be to launch it around March/April if they shoot for an earlier launch, at least in the US.  That's around the time people start getting their tax returns.  Then, all summer they can build up inventory for the holiday rush.

So, when do you think we'll start hearing rumors?

I think definitely sometime in 2018 as far as legit rumors go (we've already heard stuff like "they thought about it as soon as PS4 released).

If I had to guess a specific time I'd say mid 2018.  Somewhere in June-August. 



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gtaguidelng on 07 April 2017
jonathanalis said:
meanwhile, a ps4 pro slim, a splimmer standard ps4, or even a portable/hybrid digital only 1080p screen ps4p.
I really cant see ps5 before 2021.

Now that's what i want.



malistix1985 on 07 April 2017

Im guessing 2019 earliest, the Scorpio is a beast but the PS4 should still outsell it.

Sony should be in no rush to end this console generation, sure people who want the best experience in old- and new current gen and last gen titles will love the XBox Scorpio but that is still not the mass audience.




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Ljink96 on 07 April 2017

I don't think we need a PS5 right now...people really aren't even buying PS4 Pro. I concur, 2020 at the least. Leaving 3 more years for PS4 to be supported after PS5's launch and 10 years after PS4 released overall. So 2023, PS4 is phased out and PS5 is 3 years into its life cycle.

To answer the OP, we'll start hearing things around early 2018, demos will probably be shown at this year's E3 behind closed doors, we'll begin to hear more in 2019 and 2020 it'll release probably early in the year. That's what I'm thinking.



Fei-Hung on 07 April 2017

I remember Sony milking the PS2 sales and pushing the release date of the PS3 back and then getting their asses kicked by MS and the 360. Sony will never allow this to happen again which is why they released first, done a mid gen update first and will probably announce the PS5 first. They will essentially become the pacemaker between the two home consoles.

Secondly, I don't think they will do a Nintendo and base the PS5 specs on the PS4 when their competitor has a overall more powerful system, especially if they are planning on releasing first.

As much as both want a huge power leap for the next gen, neither will want to price themselves away from profits and sales. I can see the PS5 running a Ryzen 5 cpu with a Navi GPU, with a reveal in early 2019 and launch in November 2019.

I also wouldn't be surprised if Sony announced a Switch like PS4 the year before instead of a regular superslim if Switch continues to do well. This will probably help Sony sell the PS4 beyond its gen.

With 2020 and beyond, they run the risk of launching behind MS, and as we know, MS don't mind cutting a gen of early by a year or so just to get a headstart on their competition.



Safiir on 07 April 2017
Fei-Hung said:
I remember Sony milking the PS2 sales and pushing the release date of the PS3 back and then getting their asses kicked by MS and the 360. 

Getting their asses kicked (in the beginning) has nothing to do with the year headstart and everything to do with the price and difficulty in developing for ps3.