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zorg1000 said:
Robert_Downey_Jr. said:
Sony dominates and has closed the gap. With Nintendo only selling on type of console now (not handhelds and regular systems combined) and the handheld market having a questionable future I could see them rapidly catching up to Nintendo.

Not sure if you saw Rol point it out but Nintendo has actually sold more hardware than Sony has since Sony has entered the hardware market.

As of March 1995 (a few months after PS1 launched in Japan), Nintendo had shipped roughly 140 million units of hardware between NES, SNES & Gameboy. Now the gap is 200 million in favor of Nintendo meaning that Sony has not closed the gap at all.

Also not sure if you realize this but Sony is also set to start selling one type of console (they said they dont see a future for a Vita successor).

Two product lines favored Nintendo, 1 versus 1 favors Sony. 

Per system Sony has a higher average than Nintendo does, Sony simply doesn't make as much hardware. 

It doesn't really seem like to me Nintendo/MS are able to do much of anything to keep a Playstation home console (main line) from selling 80-100+ million. Sony is a beast when it comes to the home market, they have owned it more or less since 1995 onward and they don't need to rely on fads/crazes to get consistently get those numbers so it's almost like money in the bank for them. 

Portables are on shakier ground, tablets/smartphones represent a huge sea change in entertainment options available to people on the go. When I was a kid all you had was maybe a WalkMan with 2-3 cassette tapes or a book/comic books to compete against a Game Boy. Obviously things have changed massively, I'm not sure if game-only portable devices will ever have the same sway they once had even from 10 years ago. 

Even though the 3DS has obviously done better than the Wii U, we forget Nintendo actually lost more consumers from the DS to 3DS transition (90 million lost) than even the Wii to Wii U transition did. Mobile/tablet really did a number on that market. 

I think honestly it's just better to compare portables to portables and home consoles to home consoles, at least until Switch. A $99 Game Boy is not the same thing as selling a $300 PS2. 



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I did this thread ages ago lol



Soundwave said:
zorg1000 said:

Not sure if you saw Rol point it out but Nintendo has actually sold more hardware than Sony has since Sony has entered the hardware market.

As of March 1995 (a few months after PS1 launched in Japan), Nintendo had shipped roughly 140 million units of hardware between NES, SNES & Gameboy. Now the gap is 200 million in favor of Nintendo meaning that Sony has not closed the gap at all.

Also not sure if you realize this but Sony is also set to start selling one type of console (they said they dont see a future for a Vita successor).

Two product lines favored Nintendo, 1 versus 1 favors Sony. 

Per system Sony has a higher average than Nintendo does, Sony simply doesn't make as much hardware. 

It doesn't really seem like to me Nintendo/MS are able to do much of anything to keep a Playstation home console (main line) from selling 80-100+ million. Sony is a beast when it comes to the home market, they have owned it more or less since 1995 onwards. 

Sure, if we change goalposts three times and cherry pick the data we want to look at it favors Sony.

Seriously guys, is it really that hard to just look at data and analyze it objectively?

First it was Playstation is closing the gap against Nintendo.

Once that was disproven the argument changed to excluding handhelds for no apparent reason along with comparing average sales per system.



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RavenXtra said:
According to VGC, but since the final shipment number for PS1 is 102.49m, I'm not sure where VGC got that last 2m from.

That's if you count the Polystations too



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zorg1000 said:
Soundwave said:

Two product lines favored Nintendo, 1 versus 1 favors Sony. 

Per system Sony has a higher average than Nintendo does, Sony simply doesn't make as much hardware. 

It doesn't really seem like to me Nintendo/MS are able to do much of anything to keep a Playstation home console (main line) from selling 80-100+ million. Sony is a beast when it comes to the home market, they have owned it more or less since 1995 onwards. 

Sure, if we change goalposts three times and cherry pick the data we want to look at it favors Sony.

Seriously guys, is it really that hard to just look at data and analyze it objectively?

First it was Playstation is closing the gap against Nintendo.

Once that was disproven the argument changed to excluding handhelds for no apparent reason along with comparing average sales per system.

You don't have to cherry pick much to see Sony has beaten both Nintendo and Microsoft like a red headed stepchild for the better part of 2 straight decades when it comes to traditional home consoles. There's just no way to spin that otherwise. 

Mixing/matching home consoles and portable devices to me has always been kinda of iffy way to go about looking at anything market wise. Different markets with different price points. 

But if you insist on that, I think it's fair to point out Sony did not have any portable system from 1994-2004, ... if they did who knows you'd likely have to add another 80-100 million to their total as Sony was doing just fine selling portables with the PSP prior to the smart device boom. 

Also this generation is still going for Sony, they likely have another 50 million PS4s to sell. If you add up the respective numbers by hardware generation and prorate the 3DS and PS4 totals. 

Game Boy Color (49.57m approx) + Game Boy Advance (81.51m) + DS (154m) + 3DS (prorate to 70m) + N64 (33m) + GameCube (22m) + Wii (100m) + Wii U (14m) = 524 million hardware units. 

PS1 (102m) + PS2 (155m) + PS3 (85m) + PS4 (prorate to 100m) + PSP (80m) + Vita (15m) = 537 million hardware units. 

To be hoenst too I think PS4 could end up well above 100 mill too, I'm using a pretty low number there. 



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Soundwave said:
zorg1000 said:

Sure, if we change goalposts three times and cherry pick the data we want to look at it favors Sony.

Seriously guys, is it really that hard to just look at data and analyze it objectively?

First it was Playstation is closing the gap against Nintendo.

Once that was disproven the argument changed to excluding handhelds for no apparent reason along with comparing average sales per system.

You don't have to cherry pick much to see Sony has beaten both Nintendo and Microsoft like a red headed stepchild for the better part of 2 straight decades when it comes to traditional home consoles. There's just no way to spin that otherwise. 

Mixing/matching home consoles and portable devices to me has always been kinda of iffy way to go about looking at anything market wise. Different markets with different price points. 

But if you insist on that, I think it's fair to point out Sony did not have any portable system from 1994-2004, ... if they did who knows you'd likely have to add another 80-100 million to their total as Sony was doing just fine selling portables with the PSP prior to the smart device boom. 

Also this generation is still going for Sony, they likely have another 50 million PS4s to sell. If you add up the respective numbers by hardware generation and prorate the 3DS and PS4 totals. 

Game Boy Color (49.57m approx) + Game Boy Advance (81.51m) + DS (154m) + 3DS (prorate to 70m) + N64 (33m) + GameCube (22m) + Wii (100m) + Wii U (14m) = 524 million hardware units. 

PS1 (102m) + PS2 (155m) + PS3 (85m) + PS4 (prorate to 100m) + PSP (80m) + Vita (15m) = 537 million hardware units. 

To be hoenst too I think PS4 could end up well above 100 mill too, I'm using a pretty low number there. 

Dude your first sentence is cherry picking, the discussion was never about "traditional home consoles" until you changed goalposts and made it about them. That is the definition of cherry picking.



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zorg1000 said:
Soundwave said:

Two product lines favored Nintendo, 1 versus 1 favors Sony. 

Per system Sony has a higher average than Nintendo does, Sony simply doesn't make as much hardware. 

It doesn't really seem like to me Nintendo/MS are able to do much of anything to keep a Playstation home console (main line) from selling 80-100+ million. Sony is a beast when it comes to the home market, they have owned it more or less since 1995 onwards. 

Sure, if we change goalposts three times and cherry pick the data we want to look at it favors Sony.

Seriously guys, is it really that hard to just look at data and analyze it objectively?

First it was Playstation is closing the gap against Nintendo.

Once that was disproven the argument changed to excluding handhelds for no apparent reason along with comparing average sales per system.

Actually Sony are closing the gap. The thing is that during wii/ds generation Nintendo increased it dramatically. Now it's closing again but not enough to offset that. We'll see what happens with switch and whether the gap will continue to close.



Safiir said:
zorg1000 said:

Sure, if we change goalposts three times and cherry pick the data we want to look at it favors Sony.

Seriously guys, is it really that hard to just look at data and analyze it objectively?

First it was Playstation is closing the gap against Nintendo.

Once that was disproven the argument changed to excluding handhelds for no apparent reason along with comparing average sales per system.

Actually Sony are closing the gap. The thing is that during wii/ds generation Nintendo increased it dramatically. Now it's closing again but not enough to offset that. We'll see what happens with switch and whether the gap will continue to close.

Thats true, currently they are closing the gap but that was not the context of the person i originally quoted and i phrased it poorly in that last post.



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Soundwave said:
zorg1000 said:

Not sure if you saw Rol point it out but Nintendo has actually sold more hardware than Sony has since Sony has entered the hardware market.

As of March 1995 (a few months after PS1 launched in Japan), Nintendo had shipped roughly 140 million units of hardware between NES, SNES & Gameboy. Now the gap is 200 million in favor of Nintendo meaning that Sony has not closed the gap at all.

Also not sure if you realize this but Sony is also set to start selling one type of console (they said they dont see a future for a Vita successor).

Two product lines favored Nintendo, 1 versus 1 favors Sony. 

Per system Sony has a higher average than Nintendo does, Sony simply doesn't make as much hardware. 

It doesn't really seem like to me Nintendo/MS are able to do much of anything to keep a Playstation home console (main line) from selling 80-100+ million. Sony is a beast when it comes to the home market, they have owned it more or less since 1995 onward and they don't need to rely on fads/crazes to get consistently get those numbers so it's almost like money in the bank for them. 

Portables are on shakier ground, tablets/smartphones represent a huge sea change in entertainment options available to people on the go. When I was a kid all you had was maybe a WalkMan with 2-3 cassette tapes or a book/comic books to compete against a Game Boy. Obviously things have changed massively, I'm not sure if game-only portable devices will ever have the same sway they once had even from 10 years ago. 

Even though the 3DS has obviously done better than the Wii U, we forget Nintendo actually lost more consumers from the DS to 3DS transition (90 million lost) than even the Wii to Wii U transition did. Mobile/tablet really did a number on that market. 

I think honestly it's just better to compare portables to portables and home consoles to home consoles, at least until Switch. A $99 Game Boy is not the same thing as selling a $300 PS2. 

+1 

 

Well said,  these are pretty much my thoughts.  You said it better then I ever could.