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KLXVER said:
I think its up to the developer. Whatever their vision is, we should accept.

This^

 

I will pass on Horizon and TLoU2 because I do not like playing as a female, but devs should make the game they want to make.  Like I do not bash them for using female leads, the SJW need to shut their mouths and stop trying to shove their agenda down our throats.

 

All in all, my problem is not with female leads.  It is with how pathetic the SJW generally are on issues that are truly meaningless in the grand scheme of things.



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> It is the year 2050
> Make historical film about Edo-era Japan
> Get berated for having Japanese-only cast
> "Ok, I'll just add some more diversity in color and gender then".
> Get berated for not being historically accurate
> "Ok, well it's a stretch but we could say that some foreign pirates - perhaps African - made it to the shores of Japan....."
> Get berated for portraying colored people as the enemies
> "Ok then.... maybe the pirates help the Japanese peasants overthrow a tyrannical Emperor or something....."
> Get berated for implying they fed the peasant class violent ideas
> "Ok so they don't then."
> Get berated for implying they'd rather be oppressed
> "Ok fine, it's a racially diverse cast of characters standing around in their safe space and being extremely accommodating to one another, while using the correct pronouns for all 500 genders."
> "Wow ReimTime, that sounds boring as heck! Who would ever watch that LOL!"
> MFW


In advertising it is a valid criticism, especially when we are moving towards a more diverse population. In film, not so much.





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Soundwave said:
hershel_layton said:

Really? I think we have quite a decent amount of white males.

 

Uncharted, call of duty, mario, splatoon, final fantasy, kingdom Hearts, the last of us, God of war, etc all have white male characters.

 

Not complaining about how many white male characters we have, but we do have a healthy amount 

If by healthy amount you mean 90-95% of human characters in games are white, sure. 

Not that I even personally have that big of a problem with it, but seeing as how the buying base of games is pretty diverse, I think it wouldn't kill devs to reflect their own buying base, which sure as hell isn't 90-95% white males. Some games are doing it, it's fine. 

Well, I never said it was too much. Simply said it was a healthy amount :p

 

Not like it's the end of the world if we see non white characters though. Like you said, I could care less. I only hate it when they try too hard to force it (cough fantastic four cough).



 

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Shiken said:
KLXVER said:
I think its up to the developer. Whatever their vision is, we should accept.

This^

 

I will pass on Horizon and TLoU2 because I do not like playing as a female, but devs should make the game they want to make.  Like I do not bash them for using female leads, the SJW need to shut their mouths and stop trying to shove their agenda down our throats.

 

All in all, my problem is not with female leads.  It is with how pathetic the SJW generally are on issues that are truly meaningless in the grand scheme of things.

I really don't understand not playing a perfectly good game because the lead is a woman. Like does it really matter?

What would you say to someone who says "well that game looks great, and I want to play it, but the main character is over 6 foot 2, and as a 5 foot 5 person I just can't relate to that person and won't play it"? I bet you'd say they're an idiot. 



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Shiken said:

All in all, my problem is not with female leads.  It is with how pathetic the SJW generally are on issues that are truly meaningless in the grand scheme of things.

The why should you pass on games that may very well be amazing? Neither Horizon or TLOU2 have a female lead because of "sjw", they are originally designed that way



Soundwave said:
Lawlight said:

Fine. There's plenty of diversity in movies and games based on the definition of diversity by Hollywood or game studios, which means no straight white male. Video games in particular are going out of their way to make sure that their games don't have a white male character.

How many games (featuring humanoids anyway) don't have a white male character?

What, do you want me to count or something?  



hershel_layton said:
Lawlight said:

Fine. There's plenty of diversity in movies and games based on the definition of diversity by Hollywood or game studios, which means no straight white male. Video games in particular are going out of their way to make sure that their games don't have a white male character.

Really? I think we have quite a decent amount of white males.

 

Uncharted, call of duty, mario, splatoon, final fantasy, kingdom Hearts, the last of us, God of war, etc all have white male characters.

 

Not complaining about how many white male characters we have, but we do have a healthy amount 

Uncharted, more specifically, Naughty Dog have moved away from the white male character. The Last of Us 2 now has a gay female character and Drake is done and is now replaced by a half-white, half-Indian female.

Final Fantasy, Kindgom Hearts are Asian or anime characters. 

Kratos is not white - well, he now literally is because of the ashes. Jade said he was a mixture of white, Asian, black and middle eastern. He'/ clearly not white before the ashes.

Now you can say that some games feature white male characters but they are also adding non-white males like Dishonored 2, Assassin's Creed: Syndicate, Black Ops 3, Mass Effect: Andromeda, Battlefield 1. Then there are the franchises that they change to a non-white protagonist like Mafia 2, Watch Dogs 2 or Far Cry 4.

You really cannot say that white males make up most of the new games' playable characters.



Lawlight said:
hershel_layton said:

Really? I think we have quite a decent amount of white males.

 

Uncharted, call of duty, mario, splatoon, final fantasy, kingdom Hearts, the last of us, God of war, etc all have white male characters.

 

Not complaining about how many white male characters we have, but we do have a healthy amount 

Uncharted, more specifically, Naughty Dog have moved away from the white male character. The Last of Us 2 now has a gay female character and Drake is done and is now replaced by a half-white, half-Indian female.

Final Fantasy, Kindgom Hearts are Asian or anime characters. 

Kratos is not white - well, he now literally is because of the ashes. Jade said he was a mixture of white, Asian, black and middle eastern. He'/ clearly not white before the ashes.

Now you can say that some games feature white male characters but they are also adding non-white males like Dishonored 2, Assassin's Creed: Syndicate, Black Ops 3, Mass Effect: Andromeda, Battlefield 1. Then there are the franchises that they change to a non-white protagonist like Mafia 2, Watch Dogs 2 or Far Cry 4.

You really cannot say that white males make up most of the new games' playable characters.

So basically they're slowly mixing whites with non-whites? Ok. I'm fine with that.

 

As long as it isn't "HEY, WE'RE ADDING NEW RACES AND GENDERS!", then I'm ok with it. 



 

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numberwang said:

Tom Cruise's character is based on Jules Brunet. It's not like they put a white guy to stand in for a Japanese person.



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