Forums - General Discussion - Is lack of gender/racial diversity valid criticism?

Soundwave said:
Lawlight said:

You also see a lot of ugly people in those pics - I don't see people clamoring for ugly protagonists. Why is skin colour the only attribute you want to bring to games? Is that all that identifies these people?

Sure have more ugly people too then, lol. Mario/Luigi aren't exactly supermodels though either. 

Though even in this respect gaming is normalizing a bit, Lara Croft looks more like a regular person than a walking set of tits as in the 90s. 

No, now she looks like an actual supermodel compared to the PS1 days.

 

Edit: And apparently real human beings can have big tits.



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no, it is not a real criticism. The reality is that most developers create their characters as white men because that's what the majority of characters in any form of media are. Is it a bad thing? No. It isn't a good thing but it isn't harming anyone.



Lawlight said:
Soundwave said:

What agenda? I'm just offering an opinion. Quite frankly I don't give that much of a fuck. It's fairly obvious though the game buying audience is quite diverse, so it wouldn't really hurt if new games with new characters maybe had a little more thought put into them than just "well just make the character a white dude". 

This isn't the country music industry, 90%+ of the gaming fan base is not white, that's just simply a fact. 

What the hell are you talking about? The majority of games protagonists aren't white males anymore. When will that get through your skull?

I'm sorry but that's pure bullshit. The majority of protagonists in games are still white. In fact 90% of characters (humanoid) in games are white. And I don't have a big problem with that. But don't give me that "the Kingdom Hearts characters are Asian" ... they're about as Asian as Brad Pitt. 



AngryLittleAlchemist said:
no, it is not a real criticism. The reality is that most developers create their characters as white men because that's what the majority of characters in any form of media are. Is it a bad thing? No. It isn't a good thing but it isn't harming anyone.

Yup I more or less agree with that. White male is basically the default, in a few cases developers are now saying "well ... hey, maybe the character can look at little different". And that's fine too, that's just a developer realizing that the audience their making games for isn't a one dimensional demographic. 



Soundwave said:
AngryLittleAlchemist said:
no, it is not a real criticism. The reality is that most developers create their characters as white men because that's what the majority of characters in any form of media are. Is it a bad thing? No. It isn't a good thing but it isn't harming anyone.

Yup I more or less agree with that. White male is basically the default, in a few cases developers are now saying "well ... hey, maybe the character can look at little different". And that's fine too, that's just a developer realizing that the audience their making games for isn't a one dimensional demographic. 

The thing is most developers care more about their characters from a perspective of theme and narrative than they do genitalia, which leads them to starting with the basics and going from there. There is rarely ever a reason to highlight race or sex in a video game, so in reality choosing a white male as the default is actually stearing away from those conversations. Which I think is usually good, i'd rather just focus on the character. 



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There is no more free speech in writing.
Free speech is hate speech when it hurts your fragile feelings.



hershel_layton said:

Whether if it's a movie or a new video game, many people seem to criticize media that lacks gender or racial diversity.

 

What are your thoughts on it? Is it considered valid criticism to you? Or do you view it as crying over spilled milk?

 

I view it as a complete load of crap, so none of the above.

It's censorship at it's core. Not only is it censorship, it's the worst kind.

It does nothing to protect the general morality of society as honest censorship can do (e.g filtering child porn)

It's merely an extension of the facist machine of the left for completely obvious reasons. I have never heard an explanation that sounds convincing to support such a thing.

Diversity in food, drink, music. As in the taste, and sound.

Diversity in anything else. Why? It's a prison of the mind and a dead end and goes against free will.



kodeindahjunk said:
There is no more free speech in writing.
Free speech is hate speech when it hurts your fragile feelings.

Who's feelings are being hurt exactly if there's a black guy in a video game? 

Or if a developer says "you know like 50% of our audience isn't white, maybe we should have 1 or 2 non-white characters". 

Who's feelings are being hurt again? Maybe someone (gasp) who is pretty fragile themselves? 



Soundwave said:
kodeindahjunk said:
There is no more free speech in writing.
Free speech is hate speech when it hurts your fragile feelings.

Who's feelings are being hurt exactly if there's a black guy in a video game? 

Or if a developer says "you know like 50% of our audience isn't white, maybe we should have 1 or 2 non-white characters". 

Who's feelings are being hurt again? Maybe someone (gasp) who is pretty fragile themselves? 

You don't even understand my post. Read it again.

"There is no more free speech in writing.
Free speech is hate speech when it hurts your fragile feelings."

I never mentioned anything about "a black guy in a video game". Why did you bring this up? Btw, I am an asian guy.



Soundwave said:
kodeindahjunk said:
There is no more free speech in writing.
Free speech is hate speech when it hurts your fragile feelings.

Who's feelings are being hurt exactly if there's a black guy in a video game? 

Or if a developer says "you know like 50% of our audience isn't white, maybe we should have 1 or 2 non-white characters". 

Who's feelings are being hurt again? Maybe someone (gasp) who is pretty fragile themselves? 

Nobody's feelings are being hurt of there is a black guy in a video game that has been put there specifically to balance up the racial numbers purely to keep the liberals happy. Their core beliefs about what constitutues a free and open society are though.

The black people don't give a shit, the women don't give a shit, nobody gives a shit apart from.....liberal commentators and media outlets as it gives them some angle to discuss and is easy pickings.

What is this should nonsense? Should why?

Gender is irrelevant and so is race. No, it really is. You want everyone to ignore gender, sexuality, colour but then on the other hand you insist on it being noted and taken into account and constantly drawing attention to it.

Some people get pissed off with that, and by "some" I mean a chunk of the population You alienate those people and they will never respect you or your principles for trying to engineer the social rules of the world.