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hershel_layton said:

Whether if it's a movie or a new video game, many people seem to criticize media that lacks gender or racial diversity.

 

What are your thoughts on it? Is it considered valid criticism to you? Or do you view it as crying over spilled milk?

 

I view it as a complete load of crap, so none of the above.

It's censorship at it's core. Not only is it censorship, it's the worst kind.

It does nothing to protect the general morality of society as honest censorship can do (e.g filtering child porn)

It's merely an extension of the facist machine of the left for completely obvious reasons. I have never heard an explanation that sounds convincing to support such a thing.

Diversity in food, drink, music. As in the taste, and sound.

Diversity in anything else. Why? It's a prison of the mind and a dead end and goes against free will.



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kodeindahjunk said:
There is no more free speech in writing.
Free speech is hate speech when it hurts your fragile feelings.

Who's feelings are being hurt exactly if there's a black guy in a video game? 

Or if a developer says "you know like 50% of our audience isn't white, maybe we should have 1 or 2 non-white characters". 

Who's feelings are being hurt again? Maybe someone (gasp) who is pretty fragile themselves? 



Soundwave said:
kodeindahjunk said:
There is no more free speech in writing.
Free speech is hate speech when it hurts your fragile feelings.

Who's feelings are being hurt exactly if there's a black guy in a video game? 

Or if a developer says "you know like 50% of our audience isn't white, maybe we should have 1 or 2 non-white characters". 

Who's feelings are being hurt again? Maybe someone (gasp) who is pretty fragile themselves? 

You don't even understand my post. Read it again.

"There is no more free speech in writing.
Free speech is hate speech when it hurts your fragile feelings."

I never mentioned anything about "a black guy in a video game". Why did you bring this up? Btw, I am an asian guy.



Soundwave said:
kodeindahjunk said:
There is no more free speech in writing.
Free speech is hate speech when it hurts your fragile feelings.

Who's feelings are being hurt exactly if there's a black guy in a video game? 

Or if a developer says "you know like 50% of our audience isn't white, maybe we should have 1 or 2 non-white characters". 

Who's feelings are being hurt again? Maybe someone (gasp) who is pretty fragile themselves? 

Nobody's feelings are being hurt of there is a black guy in a video game that has been put there specifically to balance up the racial numbers purely to keep the liberals happy. Their core beliefs about what constitutues a free and open society are though.

The black people don't give a shit, the women don't give a shit, nobody gives a shit apart from.....liberal commentators and media outlets as it gives them some angle to discuss and is easy pickings.

What is this should nonsense? Should why?

Gender is irrelevant and so is race. No, it really is. You want everyone to ignore gender, sexuality, colour but then on the other hand you insist on it being noted and taken into account and constantly drawing attention to it.

Some people get pissed off with that, and by "some" I mean a chunk of the population You alienate those people and they will never respect you or your principles for trying to engineer the social rules of the world.



UnderstatedCornHole said:
Soundwave said:

Who's feelings are being hurt exactly if there's a black guy in a video game? 

Or if a developer says "you know like 50% of our audience isn't white, maybe we should have 1 or 2 non-white characters". 

Who's feelings are being hurt again? Maybe someone (gasp) who is pretty fragile themselves? 

Nobody's feelings are being hurt of there is a black guy in a video game that has been put there specifically to balance up the racial numbers purely to keep the liberals happy. Their core beliefs about what constitutues a free and open society are though.

The black people don't give a shit, the women don't give a shit, nobody gives a shit apart from.....liberal commentators and media outlets as it gives them some angle to discuss and is easy pickings.

What is this should nonsense? Should why?

Gender is irrelevant and so is race. No, it really is. You want everyone to ignore gender, sexuality, colour but then on the other hand you insist on it being noted and taken into account and constantly drawing attention to it.

Some people get pissed off with that, and by "some" I mean a chunk of the population You alienate those people and they will never respect you or your principles for trying to engineer the social rules of the world.

So if gender/sex is irrelevant by your metric, then why do you care period? 

It seems to me like this is only a problem when a black/minority/female character is introduced.



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Lawlight said:
Soundwave said:

What agenda? I'm just offering an opinion. Quite frankly I don't give that much of a fuck. It's fairly obvious though the game buying audience is quite diverse, so it wouldn't really hurt if new games with new characters maybe had a little more thought put into them than just "well just make the character a white dude". 

This isn't the country music industry, 90%+ of the gaming fan base is not white, that's just simply a fact. 

What the hell are you talking about? The majority of games protagonists aren't white males anymore. When will that get through your skull?

That's bullshit and you know it.



Tigerlure said:
Lawlight said:

What the hell are you talking about? The majority of games protagonists aren't white males anymore. When will that get through your skull?

That's bullshit and you know it.

Heh. 



Soundwave said:
Lawlight said:

What the hell are you talking about? The majority of games protagonists aren't white males anymore. When will that get through your skull?

I'm sorry but that's pure bullshit. The majority of protagonists in games are still white. In fact 90% of characters (humanoid) in games are white. And I don't have a big problem with that. But don't give me that "the Kingdom Hearts characters are Asian" ... they're about as Asian as Brad Pitt. 

You don't agree because it doesn't fit your rhetoric. Just this year we've had (only including big releases):

Watch Dogs 2

Dishonored 2

Battlefield 1

Rise of the Tomb Raider

Mafia 3

Recore

Mirror's Edge Catalyst

In the next 2 months we have Horizon and Gravity Rush 2 coming. God of War, The Last of Us 2 and Uncharted are coming up with non-white male protagonists as well.

And yes, I don't count anime characters as white. You probably think Sangoku is white too.



Soundwave said:
UnderstatedCornHole said:

Nobody's feelings are being hurt of there is a black guy in a video game that has been put there specifically to balance up the racial numbers purely to keep the liberals happy. Their core beliefs about what constitutues a free and open society are though.

The black people don't give a shit, the women don't give a shit, nobody gives a shit apart from.....liberal commentators and media outlets as it gives them some angle to discuss and is easy pickings.

What is this should nonsense? Should why?

Gender is irrelevant and so is race. No, it really is. You want everyone to ignore gender, sexuality, colour but then on the other hand you insist on it being noted and taken into account and constantly drawing attention to it.

Some people get pissed off with that, and by "some" I mean a chunk of the population You alienate those people and they will never respect you or your principles for trying to engineer the social rules of the world.

So if gender/sex is irrelevant by your metric, then why do you care period? 

It seems to me like this is only a problem when a black/minority/female character is introduced. 

Can you unpack that a bit, care about what specific things?

For example gender choice for a role makes it more believeable and relatable.

That's bourne out of artistic choice and direction.

If someone feels that media should be positively discriminated against then they need to get therapy for that belief because it is bourne out of someone controlling their free will and being wired up to pressure from group think and fear of alienation.

There is no rationale to it.



Soundwave said:
Tigerlure said:

That's bullshit and you know it.

Heh. 

Now do one for non-white male characters.