Forums - General Discussion - Is lack of gender/racial diversity valid criticism?

UnderstatedCornHole said:
Soundwave said:

Who's feelings are being hurt exactly if there's a black guy in a video game? 

Or if a developer says "you know like 50% of our audience isn't white, maybe we should have 1 or 2 non-white characters". 

Who's feelings are being hurt again? Maybe someone (gasp) who is pretty fragile themselves? 

Nobody's feelings are being hurt of there is a black guy in a video game that has been put there specifically to balance up the racial numbers purely to keep the liberals happy. Their core beliefs about what constitutues a free and open society are though.

The black people don't give a shit, the women don't give a shit, nobody gives a shit apart from.....liberal commentators and media outlets as it gives them some angle to discuss and is easy pickings.

What is this should nonsense? Should why?

Gender is irrelevant and so is race. No, it really is. You want everyone to ignore gender, sexuality, colour but then on the other hand you insist on it being noted and taken into account and constantly drawing attention to it.

Some people get pissed off with that, and by "some" I mean a chunk of the population You alienate those people and they will never respect you or your principles for trying to engineer the social rules of the world.

So if gender/sex is irrelevant by your metric, then why do you care period? 

It seems to me like this is only a problem when a black/minority/female character is introduced.



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Lawlight said:
Soundwave said:

What agenda? I'm just offering an opinion. Quite frankly I don't give that much of a fuck. It's fairly obvious though the game buying audience is quite diverse, so it wouldn't really hurt if new games with new characters maybe had a little more thought put into them than just "well just make the character a white dude". 

This isn't the country music industry, 90%+ of the gaming fan base is not white, that's just simply a fact. 

What the hell are you talking about? The majority of games protagonists aren't white males anymore. When will that get through your skull?

That's bullshit and you know it.



Tigerlure said:
Lawlight said:

What the hell are you talking about? The majority of games protagonists aren't white males anymore. When will that get through your skull?

That's bullshit and you know it.

Heh. 



Soundwave said:
Lawlight said:

What the hell are you talking about? The majority of games protagonists aren't white males anymore. When will that get through your skull?

I'm sorry but that's pure bullshit. The majority of protagonists in games are still white. In fact 90% of characters (humanoid) in games are white. And I don't have a big problem with that. But don't give me that "the Kingdom Hearts characters are Asian" ... they're about as Asian as Brad Pitt. 

You don't agree because it doesn't fit your rhetoric. Just this year we've had (only including big releases):

Watch Dogs 2

Dishonored 2

Battlefield 1

Rise of the Tomb Raider

Mafia 3

Recore

Mirror's Edge Catalyst

In the next 2 months we have Horizon and Gravity Rush 2 coming. God of War, The Last of Us 2 and Uncharted are coming up with non-white male protagonists as well.

And yes, I don't count anime characters as white. You probably think Sangoku is white too.



Soundwave said:
UnderstatedCornHole said:

Nobody's feelings are being hurt of there is a black guy in a video game that has been put there specifically to balance up the racial numbers purely to keep the liberals happy. Their core beliefs about what constitutues a free and open society are though.

The black people don't give a shit, the women don't give a shit, nobody gives a shit apart from.....liberal commentators and media outlets as it gives them some angle to discuss and is easy pickings.

What is this should nonsense? Should why?

Gender is irrelevant and so is race. No, it really is. You want everyone to ignore gender, sexuality, colour but then on the other hand you insist on it being noted and taken into account and constantly drawing attention to it.

Some people get pissed off with that, and by "some" I mean a chunk of the population You alienate those people and they will never respect you or your principles for trying to engineer the social rules of the world.

So if gender/sex is irrelevant by your metric, then why do you care period? 

It seems to me like this is only a problem when a black/minority/female character is introduced. 

Can you unpack that a bit, care about what specific things?

For example gender choice for a role makes it more believeable and relatable.

That's bourne out of artistic choice and direction.

If someone feels that media should be positively discriminated against then they need to get therapy for that belief because it is bourne out of someone controlling their free will and being wired up to pressure from group think and fear of alienation.

There is no rationale to it.



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Soundwave said:
Tigerlure said:

That's bullshit and you know it.

Heh. 

Now do one for non-white male characters.



Lawlight said:
Soundwave said:

Heh. 

Now do one for non-white male characters.

As the protagonist?

Not sure if Kirby is a male tho. 



Do you people even write stories for a living? You guys need to stop complaining about this. If you think there is not enough black guys in video games, movies, or whatever, and you want change. Then you need to start writing stories about your black guys, arab guys, or whatever race you like.

DO NOT, do not tell me that i can't write a story about a japanese guy or a white guy because there aren't enough stories about black dudes. That's what happened to my cousin (not me) when she worked in Canada. That's also how Canada lost a good writer.

Btw, please do not make stupid assumption that me and my cousin are racist white. I am a malay guy, and my cousin is a mixed japanese. Only white people can be racist, right?



kodeindahjunk said:
Do you people even write stories for a living? You guys need to stop complaining about this. If you think there is not enough black guys in video games, movies, or whatever, and you want change. Then you need to start writing stories about your black guys, arab guys, or whatever race you like.

DO NOT, do not tell me that i can't write a story about a japanese guy or a white guy because there aren't enough stories about black dudes. That's what happened to my cousin (not me) when she worked in Canada. That's also how Canada lost a good writer.

Btw, please do not make stupid assumption that me and my cousin are racist white. I am a malay guy, and my cousin is a mixed japanese. Only white people can be racist, right?

If it makes you feel better one of the most racist people I ever met was an Asian guy, lol. 

If your writing is really that good and stands to make a publisher or studio money, I would venture a wild guess here and say they'd buy it no matter what. 



Soundwave said:

If your writing is really that good

Did i ever say that i am writer in my post?

This is the second time you read my post without even bother trying to understand it. I won't reply to you again.