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maxleresistant said:
zorg1000 said:

Wow, I'm sorry but that was a really dumb post.

Do you really think he enjoys Wave Race because it was "one of the most cutting edge games of the time" or because he thought it was simply a fun game?

When people say power doesn't matter to them, they aren't saying they think power shouldn't progress over time, it means that not all gaming devices need to be powerhouses in order to produce quality games with great visuals.

Even though Wii & Wii U were less powerful than their PS/XB counterparts, it didn't stop them from having some amazing & beautiful games and that's why we don't think power matters all that much for Switch, having a unified platform where all of Nintendo's attention is on a single device that acts as both a handheld & console is far more interesting than having a powerful console.

Yeah right, so if Wave Race blue storm would have looked like an N64 game and had the same physics, people would have enjoyed it the same. Good one, dude, that's priceless.

Just say it already, it will do you some good I promise say it :"graphics are important, graphis matter", just stop the hypocrisy.

I know that every console don't need to have the same power, the One is fine being underpowered in comparison to the PS4. But if the Switch is really what Eurogamer says it is, it will barely be more powerful than a ps3 or 360. the WiiU was already a generation late, and soon the switch will be 2 generation late.

This is getting ridiculous.

I would totally be fine with it if the switch wasn't the only option available, but Nintendo is not releasing another home console, they are just out of the market. And no I don't think that's a good move or something I want, having a shared library, a shared architecture, a shared OS between home and handheld was a great idea, but having just one device replacing 2? No, it won't work, and you'll see, Nintendo will announce another device that goes along the switch in a year or two tops, but until then, their market shares are going to sink.

N64 may be extreme since that was such early/basic 3D that most games look like shit in retrospect but if GC was closer to DC than yes Wave Race would still have looked/played great.

Yes graphics matter, I was explaining to you that when people say they don't they aren't trying to say graphics never need to advance, just that it's not the be all, end all of what makes a game great.

And that's not true that Switch will be barely more powerful than PS3/360, it has been explained 1000 times on this site by now, GFLOPS are not the only thing that dictates how powerful a device is and that you can't just look at the numbers and assume the higher one is better. The Switch CPU & GPU are much better than PS3/360, along with 8x the amount of RAM.

It might not be something you want but the likelihood of Switch selling well with the current concept is far greater than it likely would as a PS4/XBO clone.



When the herd loses its way, the shepard must kill the bull that leads them astray.

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AngryLittleAlchemist said:
zorg1000 said:

I don't see how Switch is "weird & quirky", the main selling point of any Nintendo device in the history of Nintendo hardware has been Nintendo published games, that has held true for NES, GB, SNES, N64, GBA, GC, DS, Wii, 3DS & Wii U so releasing a device designed to maximize the output of Nintendo published games is the smartest option they can go with.

Agreed, but we need to see if it will be worth it. Can't wait till this new console(Switch) is over, wil be intersting to look back and see the good and bads.

Yep, it all comes down to execution, if Switch has strong marketing, an attractive price & a steady flow of quality software than I see it doing very well.



When the herd loses its way, the shepard must kill the bull that leads them astray.

SonytendoAmiibo said:
Einsam_Delphin said:

 

Do you honestly believe that? Talk about not making sense! To say we don't care about graphics is kinda true but to an extent. Nintendo suddenly going from HD to 8bit would not be acceptable as not only would games look like garbage but it'd limit the types of gameplay that are possible.

 

Two words: Mini NES

Only two? Well here's twenty words!

That's just a bunch of old games bundled together, not Nintendo's next system that developers will be making games for.



zorg1000 said:
maxleresistant said:

Yeah right, so if Wave Race blue storm would have looked like an N64 game and had the same physics, people would have enjoyed it the same. Good one, dude, that's priceless.

Just say it already, it will do you some good I promise say it :"graphics are important, graphis matter", just stop the hypocrisy.

I know that every console don't need to have the same power, the One is fine being underpowered in comparison to the PS4. But if the Switch is really what Eurogamer says it is, it will barely be more powerful than a ps3 or 360. the WiiU was already a generation late, and soon the switch will be 2 generation late.

This is getting ridiculous.

I would totally be fine with it if the switch wasn't the only option available, but Nintendo is not releasing another home console, they are just out of the market. And no I don't think that's a good move or something I want, having a shared library, a shared architecture, a shared OS between home and handheld was a great idea, but having just one device replacing 2? No, it won't work, and you'll see, Nintendo will announce another device that goes along the switch in a year or two tops, but until then, their market shares are going to sink.

N64 may be extreme since that was such early/basic 3D that most games look like shit in retrospect but if GC was closer to DC than yes Wave Race would still have looked/played great.

Yes graphics matter, I was explaining to you that when people say they don't they aren't trying to say graphics never need to advance, just that it's not the be all, end all of what makes a game great.

And that's not true that Switch will be barely more powerful than PS3/360, it has been explained 1000 times on this site by now, GFLOPS are not the only thing that dictates how powerful a device is and that you can't just look at the numbers and assume the higher one is better. The Switch CPU & GPU are much better than PS3/360, along with 8x the amount of RAM.

It might not be something you want but the likelihood of Switch selling well with the current concept is far greater than it likely would as a PS4/XBO clone.

Let me resume what you said :  "power doesn't matter, but it matters, but it's alright if the Switch is underpowered, but it's not, because we said it isn't."

Am I the only one seeing this? I mean when I said that Nintendo fans don't make sense anymore I didn't thought someone would run to give me an example.

You're going to have to pick a position. I know it's hard but look at me, I did it. Took me 3 years after buying a Wii, but I realized that the "graphic doesn't matter is just a way of lying to oneself"

When you end up playing Mass Effect, and batman Akham Asylum while your Wii is collecting dust because you don't give a crap about New super Mario bros because you played this game on your Supernes 12 years ago, that's when it strikes.

 



Nintendo said they wanted to make money off the system and that they weren't going for power. I kinda knew it then. Too bad all these rumors gets people hopes up.



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We've already got the Playstation aka the 'Sony Xbox' and the Xbox aka the 'Microsoft Playstation'. There simply isn't room in the console market for three practically identical systems separated only by proprietary formatting.
If Nintendo wants to keep making hardware (which they have to if they don't want to let a LOT of their employees go, which carries a massive stigma in Japanese business) then they have to either find or create a new niche.
There's no room on the console space, and mobile phones have changed the portable space away from the first party takes all landscape Nintendo used to thrive in.
So now it looks like they're focusing on making a handheld that can do what mobile phones and tablets can't, that is give you a console game like experience on the move.
It's the kind of thing that different enough that people maybe won't think to themselves "But I already have a phone" or "But I already have a playstation".
But having to optimise the game twice for docked and undocked, and with neither of those specs sounding to be all that powerful if rumours are to be believed, it might be too esoteric to develop for and publishers might wander off again.



maxleresistant said:
zorg1000 said:

N64 may be extreme since that was such early/basic 3D that most games look like shit in retrospect but if GC was closer to DC than yes Wave Race would still have looked/played great.

Yes graphics matter, I was explaining to you that when people say they don't they aren't trying to say graphics never need to advance, just that it's not the be all, end all of what makes a game great.

And that's not true that Switch will be barely more powerful than PS3/360, it has been explained 1000 times on this site by now, GFLOPS are not the only thing that dictates how powerful a device is and that you can't just look at the numbers and assume the higher one is better. The Switch CPU & GPU are much better than PS3/360, along with 8x the amount of RAM.

It might not be something you want but the likelihood of Switch selling well with the current concept is far greater than it likely would as a PS4/XBO clone.

Let me resume what you said :  "power doesn't matter, but it matters, but it's alright if the Switch is underpowered, but it's not, because we said it isn't."

Am I the only one seeing this? I mean when I said that Nintendo fans don't make sense anymore I didn't thought someone would run to give me an example.

You're going to have to pick a position. I know it's hard but look at me, I did it. Took me 3 years after buying a Wii, but I realized that the "graphic doesn't matter is just a way of lying to oneself"

When you end up playing Mass Effect, and batman Akham Asylum while your Wii is collecting dust because you don't give a crap about New super Mario bros because you played this game on your Supernes 12 years ago, that's when it strikes.

 

That's not what I said at all.

Power does matter to an extent, I never denied that. What I said is that when people say, "power doesn't matter", they do not literally mean that power should never advance, instead it means that games can look & play great even if they are on a device weaker than other devices.

I also never said Switch wasn't underpowered compared to PS4/XBO, it certainly is, I corrected a false statement that you made which was that Switch is barely more powerful than PS3/360.

Nothing I have said is a contradiction, you are just twisting my words around.

As for your last paragraph, I had 100x more fun playing my Wii than I did with my PS3, its almost as if different people have different preferences!!!!!



When the herd loses its way, the shepard must kill the bull that leads them astray.

maxleresistant said:
curl-6 said:

The Gamecube was a failure for Nintendo though.

not really no.

Yes thd sales were underwhelming. But when thegeneration ended, there was a lot of love for the system and its games. Melee was an generation favorite of many gamers including those who didnt have a gamecube.

If Nintendo had made a GC 2 instead of the Wii, they could have easily sold 40 millions consoles or even more. The PS3 was so expensive that there was a window for Nintendo to take back the crown.

They went for the casual, which seemed like a great idea, but the biggest mistake is that in the process they just told the gamers to go f*#k themselves. And now with the WiiU, karma got them good, no gamers trust Nintendo, casual moved on, and the brand is at an all time worst.

So maybe the GC wasn t a big success short term, but long term, that strategy would have paid off way more, and a gamecube 3 instead of a WiiU would have sold a LOT more.

But short term, the Wii was a huge better success, but look where this all ended?

Nostalgia often makes people forget how much of a laughing stock Gamecube was back in the day. It was seen as a child's toy. The only people who loved it were hardcore Nintendo fans, mainstream gamers regarded it with either contempt or apathy.

I think you're projecting too much of your own feelings towards the systems in question and assuming everyone feels the way you do.



curl-6 said:
maxleresistant said:

not really no.

Yes thd sales were underwhelming. But when thegeneration ended, there was a lot of love for the system and its games. Melee was an generation favorite of many gamers including those who didnt have a gamecube.

If Nintendo had made a GC 2 instead of the Wii, they could have easily sold 40 millions consoles or even more. The PS3 was so expensive that there was a window for Nintendo to take back the crown.

They went for the casual, which seemed like a great idea, but the biggest mistake is that in the process they just told the gamers to go f*#k themselves. And now with the WiiU, karma got them good, no gamers trust Nintendo, casual moved on, and the brand is at an all time worst.

So maybe the GC wasn t a big success short term, but long term, that strategy would have paid off way more, and a gamecube 3 instead of a WiiU would have sold a LOT more.

But short term, the Wii was a huge better success, but look where this all ended?

Nostalgia often makes people forget how much of a laughing stock Gamecube was back in the day. It was seen as a child's toy. The only people who loved it were hardcore Nintendo fans, mainstream gamers regarded it with either contempt or apathy.

I think you're projecting too much of your own feelings towards the systems in question and assuming everyone feels the way you do.

No, I'm not projecting anything, yes the GC had trouble because of its image, but by the end of the gen, a lot of people changed their mind about it, not to the point of buying it, because that ship had sailed. But certainly to the point of thinking about buying the next console made by Nintendo.



maxleresistant said:
curl-6 said:

Nostalgia often makes people forget how much of a laughing stock Gamecube was back in the day. It was seen as a child's toy. The only people who loved it were hardcore Nintendo fans, mainstream gamers regarded it with either contempt or apathy.

I think you're projecting too much of your own feelings towards the systems in question and assuming everyone feels the way you do.

No, I'm not projecting anything, yes the GC had trouble because of its image, but by the end of the gen, a lot of people changed their mind about it, not to the point of buying it, because that ship had sailed. But certainly to the point of thinking about buying the next console made by Nintendo.

I don't think so; GC, like Wii U, was practically forgotten by its last year on the market. By then, all eyes were on the Wii. What was there to change its image anyway? All its major games besides Twilight Princess had long since been and gone, and none of them had been enough to save it from 3rd place.