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Forums - Sales Discussion - November 2016 NPD Thread! Hardware estimates in the OP!

SWORDF1SH on 09 December 2016
X1Gates said:
Lauster said:

Correct, gap could be bigger

or a lot smaller

Yeah, we need numbers.

Anyway, what do you think to the Xbox One being down year on year? I'm just wondering because I see one or two claim the Xbox One is now a more desirable product and the UHD player would give it more value and increase sales. What we got is Xbox One selling less than last, lost the entire month to Sony any was outsold by Sony on Black Friday, a part of the month where PS4 Pro had little impact on sales with all the deals being slapped on the PS4 Slim. 

Both Slims had pretty much the same deals but the PS4 Slim came out on top. The PS4 Slim a lot proclaimed to be a failure but still outsold the console making a 'comeback'.



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SWORDF1SH on 09 December 2016
jason1637 said:
drkohler said:

What kind of bizarre logic is this?

If there weren't a PS4 Pro, those 300k people waiting for the Pro would have simply bought a PS4. There is no "barely" in correct logic, Sony simply sold more consoles that MS in November - End of story.

I bet most of the 300k were upgraders.

Shu made a comment on this. He said they expected a lot of upgraders but he was surprised by how many Pros sold to first time buyers. So I don't think most were upgraders.



Neodegenerate on 09 December 2016
SWORDF1SH said:
X1Gates said:

or a lot smaller

Yeah, we need numbers.

Anyway, what do you think to the Xbox One being down year on year? I'm just wondering because I see one or two claim the Xbox One is now a more desirable product and the UHD player would give it more value and increase sales. What we got is Xbox One selling less than last, lost the entire month to Sony any was outsold by Sony on Black Friday, a part of the month where PS4 Pro had little impact on sales with all the deals being slapped on the PS4 Slim. 

Both Slims had pretty much the same deals but the PS4 Slim came out on top. The PS4 Slim a lot proclaimed to be a failure but still outsold the console making a 'comeback'.

Not to answer for the other guy, but I assume they are down YoY because they haven't come out and said they aren't.  Feels like they would find a way to vaguely express that they are up YoY if they were.



globalisateur on 09 December 2016

One source say on Gaf that both PS4 and XB1 were down YoY

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=226311431&postcount=730

Consoles are doomed !



EricHiggin on 09 December 2016
tak13 said:
4k1x3r said:

Dude, where did you find the power to see into the future? Share the goods brother!

And secondly, if the PS4Pro is responsible for 300k in sales, do you think that if it didn't exist PS4 would have sold 300k less.... like... a % of those buyers wouldn't have bought a PS4 Slim? Right? Your logic is skewed for obvious reasons, and this is just a time loss for everyone.

I forgot to put an if, calm down.

I had this in my mind... 

However, what makes you think that most who bought PS4  pro in its first month weren't old ps4 owners who upgrade to it but the same wouldn't happen with slim?

 

Intrinsic said:
Madword said:

Yeah its a bit of a silly argument, seems strange to downplay 300k when thats bigger than the 4months previously put together and bigger than any one of the months won by MS by a long amount, but some people will still say, sony is not doing as well as it should, though its going to be 500k up on the year on MS, on a year where MS did some pretty aggressive pricing.

Based on if its 300k, in one month they have taken back those four months sales in USA and UK, two very important markets (they did it in the UK in one weekend...lol), the PS4 is the best selling console for the year in both those countries. The gap is continuing to increase, but apparently Sony is doing bad :D

Yup... this is all new to me. This is a whole nee direction i didnt even believe was possible.

Now, Sony is losing because they didn't win MS as much as expected. Even if they wiped off all the wins it took MS 4 months to get in one month. 

So MS wins NPD because they didn't lose it too badly. 

Whats being said is just the possible reasoning behind PS not showing their numbers. There are legit reasons why they might not want to show them like how PS knows they've won this gen so they dont care, but its just as possible that PS is "losing ground" and wants to keep that hush hush. No business in their right mind goes out and tells people we're losing and hopes to keep the momentum going, especially with the launch of an updated product to the line up. This is why after years of PS boasting about their sales, it seems odd why they all of the sudden changed their tone.

If PS only won because of their Pro sales, its concerning to a degree. Yes they have Pro, yes they have a 6 month head start on Switch and around 1 year on Scorpio, but that just makes you wonder how much more ground can MS make up when Scorpio shows up to this gen. Even more concerning would be what if Scorpio shows up and its actually next gen, what then?

How Pro sales were divided up between existing PS4 users and new buyers also would help answer some questions, but 2017 sales should tell us that. If sales stay strong for Pro, no worries, if they slowly dwindle, its most likely because PS4 users were just upgrading.

Its all a bunch of what if's, and nobody knows for sure, but thats the conversation at hand. At the end of the day, PS won, which is great, and was likely, so congrats to them.



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betacon on 09 December 2016
jason1637 said:
drkohler said:

What kind of bizarre logic is this?

If there weren't a PS4 Pro, those 300k people waiting for the Pro would have simply bought a PS4. There is no "barely" in correct logic, Sony simply sold more consoles that MS in November - End of story.

I bet most of the 300k were upgraders.

Yea and i bet most of the upgraders sold their base ps4 to buy the pro, see how this game is pointless?



SWORDF1SH on 09 December 2016
globalisateur said:
One source say on Gaf that both PS4 and XB1 were down YoY

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=226311431&postcount=730

Consoles are doomed !

Yeah I predicted that myself. I predicted 0.9M XB1 and PS4 1.2M (I think both might be higher now though). But Sony broke records WW so the bigger picture looks better for PS4. XB1 relies heavily on US 



SWORDF1SH on 09 December 2016
Neodegenerate said:
SWORDF1SH said:

Yeah, we need numbers.

Anyway, what do you think to the Xbox One being down year on year? I'm just wondering because I see one or two claim the Xbox One is now a more desirable product and the UHD player would give it more value and increase sales. What we got is Xbox One selling less than last, lost the entire month to Sony any was outsold by Sony on Black Friday, a part of the month where PS4 Pro had little impact on sales with all the deals being slapped on the PS4 Slim. 

Both Slims had pretty much the same deals but the PS4 Slim came out on top. The PS4 Slim a lot proclaimed to be a failure but still outsold the console making a 'comeback'.

Not to answer for the other guy, but I assume they are down YoY because they haven't come out and said they aren't.  Feels like they would find a way to vaguely express that they are up YoY if they were.

They definitely are down YoY because they definitely would of said if they were up YoY. 



Ali_16x on 09 December 2016
globalisateur said:
One source say on Gaf that both PS4 and XB1 were down YoY

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=226311431&postcount=730

Consoles are doomed !

I'm not surprised, last years lineup was like 3x better(talking about 3rd party)



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Swordmasterman on 09 December 2016
EricHiggin said:
tak13 said:

I forgot to put an if, calm down.

I had this in my mind... 

However, what makes you think that most who bought PS4  pro in its first month weren't old ps4 owners who upgrade to it but the same wouldn't happen with slim?

 

Intrinsic said:

Yup... this is all new to me. This is a whole nee direction i didnt even believe was possible.

Now, Sony is losing because they didn't win MS as much as expected. Even if they wiped off all the wins it took MS 4 months to get in one month. 

So MS wins NPD because they didn't lose it too badly. 

Whats being said is just the possible reasoning behind PS not showing their numbers. There are legit reasons why they might not want to show them like how PS knows they've won this gen so they dont care, but its just as possible that PS is "losing ground" and wants to keep that hush hush. No business in their right mind goes out and tells people we're losing and hopes to keep the momentum going, especially with the launch of an updated product to the line up. This is why after years of PS boasting about their sales, it seems odd why they all of the sudden changed their tone.

If PS only won because of their Pro sales, its concerning to a degree. Yes they have Pro, yes they have a 6 month head start on Switch and around 1 year on Scorpio, but that just makes you wonder how much more ground can MS make up when Scorpio shows up to this gen. Even more concerning would be what if Scorpio shows up and its actually next gen, what then?

How Pro sales were divided up between existing PS4 users and new buyers also would help answer some questions, but 2017 sales should tell us that. If sales stay strong for Pro, no worries, if they slowly dwindle, its most likely because PS4 users were just upgrading.

Its all a bunch of what if's, and nobody knows for sure, but thats the conversation at hand. At the end of the day, PS won, which is great, and was likely, so congrats to them.

That isn't a concern. Scorpio won't be a thing for Sony since they would need a 30-50 millions lead in the USA and UK in order to outsell a Playstation console WW.

If not even Nintendo or Sega were able to win Europe and other regions, why would Microsoft be able ? They don't invest in first party games.

It really doesn't matter if the Pro is a flop while the Slim give a 20-30% YOY grow for the PS4. Pro isn't a PS5. If Sony can manage well the success of the PS4, the PS5 can be even more successful just like  the PS2 sold better than the PS1.

 

Without the USA, Sony still has 33 Millions of units sold, without the UK, 29-30 millions, still more than Xbox One's ww numbers.