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EricHiggin on 09 December 2016
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tak13 said:
4k1x3r said:

Dude, where did you find the power to see into the future? Share the goods brother!

And secondly, if the PS4Pro is responsible for 300k in sales, do you think that if it didn't exist PS4 would have sold 300k less.... like... a % of those buyers wouldn't have bought a PS4 Slim? Right? Your logic is skewed for obvious reasons, and this is just a time loss for everyone.

I forgot to put an if, calm down.

I had this in my mind... 

However, what makes you think that most who bought PS4  pro in its first month weren't old ps4 owners who upgrade to it but the same wouldn't happen with slim?

 

Intrinsic said:
Madword said:

Yeah its a bit of a silly argument, seems strange to downplay 300k when thats bigger than the 4months previously put together and bigger than any one of the months won by MS by a long amount, but some people will still say, sony is not doing as well as it should, though its going to be 500k up on the year on MS, on a year where MS did some pretty aggressive pricing.

Based on if its 300k, in one month they have taken back those four months sales in USA and UK, two very important markets (they did it in the UK in one weekend...lol), the PS4 is the best selling console for the year in both those countries. The gap is continuing to increase, but apparently Sony is doing bad :D

Yup... this is all new to me. This is a whole nee direction i didnt even believe was possible.

Now, Sony is losing because they didn't win MS as much as expected. Even if they wiped off all the wins it took MS 4 months to get in one month. 

So MS wins NPD because they didn't lose it too badly. 

Whats being said is just the possible reasoning behind PS not showing their numbers. There are legit reasons why they might not want to show them like how PS knows they've won this gen so they dont care, but its just as possible that PS is "losing ground" and wants to keep that hush hush. No business in their right mind goes out and tells people we're losing and hopes to keep the momentum going, especially with the launch of an updated product to the line up. This is why after years of PS boasting about their sales, it seems odd why they all of the sudden changed their tone.

If PS only won because of their Pro sales, its concerning to a degree. Yes they have Pro, yes they have a 6 month head start on Switch and around 1 year on Scorpio, but that just makes you wonder how much more ground can MS make up when Scorpio shows up to this gen. Even more concerning would be what if Scorpio shows up and its actually next gen, what then?

How Pro sales were divided up between existing PS4 users and new buyers also would help answer some questions, but 2017 sales should tell us that. If sales stay strong for Pro, no worries, if they slowly dwindle, its most likely because PS4 users were just upgrading.

Its all a bunch of what if's, and nobody knows for sure, but thats the conversation at hand. At the end of the day, PS won, which is great, and was likely, so congrats to them.