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Swordmasterman on 09 December 2016
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EricHiggin said:
tak13 said:

I forgot to put an if, calm down.

I had this in my mind... 

However, what makes you think that most who bought PS4  pro in its first month weren't old ps4 owners who upgrade to it but the same wouldn't happen with slim?

 

Intrinsic said:

Yup... this is all new to me. This is a whole nee direction i didnt even believe was possible.

Now, Sony is losing because they didn't win MS as much as expected. Even if they wiped off all the wins it took MS 4 months to get in one month. 

So MS wins NPD because they didn't lose it too badly. 

Whats being said is just the possible reasoning behind PS not showing their numbers. There are legit reasons why they might not want to show them like how PS knows they've won this gen so they dont care, but its just as possible that PS is "losing ground" and wants to keep that hush hush. No business in their right mind goes out and tells people we're losing and hopes to keep the momentum going, especially with the launch of an updated product to the line up. This is why after years of PS boasting about their sales, it seems odd why they all of the sudden changed their tone.

If PS only won because of their Pro sales, its concerning to a degree. Yes they have Pro, yes they have a 6 month head start on Switch and around 1 year on Scorpio, but that just makes you wonder how much more ground can MS make up when Scorpio shows up to this gen. Even more concerning would be what if Scorpio shows up and its actually next gen, what then?

How Pro sales were divided up between existing PS4 users and new buyers also would help answer some questions, but 2017 sales should tell us that. If sales stay strong for Pro, no worries, if they slowly dwindle, its most likely because PS4 users were just upgrading.

Its all a bunch of what if's, and nobody knows for sure, but thats the conversation at hand. At the end of the day, PS won, which is great, and was likely, so congrats to them.

That isn't a concern. Scorpio won't be a thing for Sony since they would need a 30-50 millions lead in the USA and UK in order to outsell a Playstation console WW.

If not even Nintendo or Sega were able to win Europe and other regions, why would Microsoft be able ? They don't invest in first party games.

It really doesn't matter if the Pro is a flop while the Slim give a 20-30% YOY grow for the PS4. Pro isn't a PS5. If Sony can manage well the success of the PS4, the PS5 can be even more successful just like  the PS2 sold better than the PS1.

 

Without the USA, Sony still has 33 Millions of units sold, without the UK, 29-30 millions, still more than Xbox One's ww numbers.