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Hillary Clinton won. How much time till Nuclear War?

There will be no nuclear ... 168 47.19%
 
Nuclear World war in 2017... 64 17.98%
 
Nuclear Armaggedom in 2018. 15 4.21%
 
We will be living like Fallout 4 in 2019. 55 15.45%
 
Nuclear war before her term ends. 54 15.17%
 
Total:356
WagnerPaiva said:
COKTOE said:

Interesting, I have actually been reading up since my post. Multiple warheads. Scary stuff. It's a fairly new story in my defence. Most everything I could readily find was from the last few weeks.

I know, right?

It could actually deliver 10 tsar bombs like nukes in a single blow, and it has counter-measures against every single anti-missile defense know to man.

If one of those is used, the Fallout alone would probably make life miserable for all mankind for a long time.

If you don't already know about it, there's also the PAK-DA, a new Russian hypersonic jet under development. :( I wonder if Europe and the U.S. are keeping up with Russia?



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CosmicSex said:
Zkuq said:

Here's your problem. Not saying it's not correct, but I'd doubt anything coming from official Russian sources. Russia is the master of information warfare, and for them, everything seems to be related to information warfare. To get back to the point, it'd be great if there was a more reliable source for this effectiveness.

How would you even test something like that?

You probably don't. You perform a lot of calculations and hope they're correct. I think nuclear physics are pretty well understood at this point, so there shouldn't be too many surprises there.



WagnerPaiva said:
Mr.GameCrazy said:

I don't think Hillary Clinton would start a nuclear war. If anything, I think Donald Trump would be more likely to do that. He doesn't have a very good temperament compared to Clinton.

Let me remind you that all the other countries nuclear arsenal is pityful when compared to Russia and the US.

 

Which is irrelevant, considering that a hundred modern, large, nukes are more than enough to kill 90% of the globe.



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WagnerPaiva said:
Mr.GameCrazy said:

I don't think Hillary Clinton would start a nuclear war. If anything, I think Donald Trump would be more likely to do that. He doesn't have a very good temperament compared to Clinton.

But he said "I rather work with Russia, get along, we can fight ISIS together".

She said: "We will put Russia in line or take them down".

He wants peace with Russia, she wants to kill their ally Bashar Al Saad.

Let me remind you that all the other countries nuclear arsenal is pityful when compared to Russia and the US.

The one thing you do not do is to piss off Russia.

I don't think he has to attack Russia to start a nuclear war. I believe he wanted to launch missiles against somewhere else. Was it Syria? I don't recall.



Hiku said:

16 people who have had access to the nuclear codes said they don't trust Trump with the codes.
He's the one who repeatedly asked "If we have nukes, why can't we use them?" three times during a 1 hour meeting with a foreign affairs minister.
And he's the one who said he wouldn't rule out nuking Europe. And didn't know what the nuclear triad is, etc.

Like I wouldn't trust a todler to be in control of a bus, I wouldn't trust this imbecil with something he clearly knows nothing about.

Hilary may be for aggressive foreign politics against Russia, but that doesn't mean nukes.

Some really scary stuff.  Um... you don't use them because we all die in an ocean of flames.  Ummm kay?

Although I would hope that we never use them 'just because we have them' I think its also important to reduce arms to avoid them from falling into terrorist hands who might not care about perserving even their own life. 



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WagnerPaiva said:
StarOcean said:

I'm not going to ban you for having an opinion. However, I will say if you ACTUALLY believe we'll have nuclear war from her. Then either you do not know the extent of the presidents actual power or you're just wrong

I know Obama, a fun loving, cool guy, did a lot of stuff by executive decisions, things that are anticonstitutional. I wonder what a murdereous, war loving, bloodthirsty, well know as evil, woman will do in his place.

Specially one that said she WANTS to take down Russia.

What does she exactly gain from taking down Russia? There's always a motive. And no, "evil woman" is not an acceptable answer. 

You seem to be talking without having anything to actually say other than, "i dont like her cuz shes mean"



More ridiculous nonsense.

So we need to elect an idiot, puppet president for Russia or else? Fuck that. You don't get to dictate shit, especially not when you're the one who lost the Cold War. 

There is never going to be a nuclear war, if Putin pushed that his own power structure behind -- namely rich Russian oligarchs would over throw him if he was dumb enough to come looking for a fight with the US which spends 10x more on military spending than Russia does.

And certainly not over some desert plot called Syria, no one gives *that* much of a shit over Syria.

The only time nuclear war between the US and Russia was close was 1963, and that's never going to happen again. Both countries know that would be stupid.



WagnerPaiva said:
Drakrami said:
lmao... how da hell is Syria important to China again? You people just write whatever your imagination lets you to.

http://nationalinterest.org/feature/china-supporting-syrias-regime-what-changed-17738

On August 14, Guan Youfei, a rear admiral in China’s People’s Liberation Army Navy, visited the Syrian capital of Damascus, escorted around the city under heavy guard. Guan’s visit reportedly included meetings with senior military officials and Russian officers, as well as pledges that the Chinese military would provide medical training for Syrian medical staff. The question is why China is increasing this engagement now.

Admiral Guan’s engagement contrasts with previous Chinese behavior during the Syrian crisis. While China has been one of the few powers to maintain an embassy in Damascus throughout the current crisis, Beijing’s engagements have been fairly limited, and mostly focused on attempts from the Chinese Ministry of Foreign Affairs to insert itself into peace negotiations and occasional expressions of concern around individual nationals who appear on the battlefield (either as hostages or fighters). The approach has been driven by a mix of motives, including Beijing’s long-standing principle of “non-interference,” aversion to what China sees as largely Western-led regime change in the guise of humanitarian intervention and a Chinese desire to insulate its growing economic interests in the Middle East from the continuing consequences of the Arab Spring.

That dynamic may now be about to change. China has started to become a participant in the many international discussions around countering terrorism, and ISIS in particular. China has participated in the Global Counterterrorism Forum and hosted sessions about terrorists’ use of the internet, while engaging in discussions at home about contributing more to the fight against ISIS. Last year, a decision was made to alter national legislation to allow Chinese security forces to deploy abroad as part of a counterterrorism effort, and China has sought to establish overseas bases in Djibouti. In neighboring Afghanistan, it has established a new sub-regional alliance between Afghanistan, Tajikistan, Pakistan and China to discuss and coordinate the fight against militancy and terrorist groups in the area. All these actions highlight the degree to which China is slowly pushing its security apparatus out into the world in a more aggressive posture than before. Seen within this light, Admiral Guan’s visit to Damascus is another piece in this puzzle, and the most ambitious yet in many ways for a power that has historically preferred to play a more standoffish role in addressing hard military questions.

Looking to the Syrian context in particular, there are two major reasons for China’s apparent decision to begin playing a more forward role in engaging in Syria. One is China’s concern at the numbers and links of Uighur militants from its restive province of Xinjiang participating in the Syrian conflict. The other is its desire for geostrategic stability in the Middle East as it seeks to consummate its “One Belt, One Road” strategy.

Of particular importance on the first count is the presence of the Turkistan Islamic Party (TIP) on the Syrian battlefield. TIP is a successor organization of sorts to the East Turkestan Islamic Movement (ETIM), a group that Beijing has blamed for violence linked to Xinjiang after 9/11. Beijing has claimed that Al Qaeda directly “funded and supported” ETIM, and while the scale of Al Qaeda’s direct support of ETIM has been widely disputed, the relationship between TIP and Al Qaeda has only grown closer since, with TIP garnering more Uighur recruits from 2009 onward and Al Qaeda leader Ayman al-Zawahiri praising Uighur contributions to the global jihad in a recent message.

 

 

Why do you continue to kid yourself?

 

1. Can China sail in those waters? Not in 100 years. 

2. Can China put land troops in Syria? Not in 100 years. 

3. Can China fly jets there to bomb targets? Not in 100 years. 

 

USA/Russia can do that. USA navy is everywhere in the world basically. USA has air bases in Turkey/Jordan and etc... Russia can do it because its navy is there and they have bases in Syria. 

USA also has trained up a rebel force in Syria. 

 

Now, tell me how da hell does China get involved in Syria? Let's say USA runs all over Syria. What's China gonna do? March its troops across 5 countries to defend Assad? Or sail its one and only carrier there to defend Syria? Or fly its jets there with 0 air bases for refuelling? 

 

Or China can do is whine at UN meetings. 

 

 

Not to mention the China/Russia and China/USA relationship is not what you conspiracy theorists make it out to be. 

China and Russia uses each other to counterbalance USA. Because when alone, can not counterbalance USA. 

China and Russia does not trust each other. 

China respects and needs USA, vice versa.

 

If not for, "who's #1?" China and USA does not even have to be at odds with each other. 



spurgeonryan said:
Funny how a criminal can win, a known criminal, possible spy for the super rich around the world over Trump.

His only crime is caring too much.

You are only labeled as a criminal if you've been judged as one by the court. Otherwise you are not guilty until proven otherwise. Seems the US has a lot of self labeled judges running around. I'm getting really sick of this.



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Peh said:
spurgeonryan said:
Funny how a criminal can win, a known criminal, possible spy for the super rich around the world over Trump.

His only crime is caring too much.

You are only labeled as a criminal if you've been judged as one by the court. Otherwise you are not guilty until proven otherwise. Seems the US has a lot of self labeled judges running around. I'm getting really sick of this.

Seems as though the courts "innocent until proven guilty" only applies when its their candidate being accused of stuff XD but when the candidate they dont like doesnt get jailed it becomes "corrupt!"