Maybe the 1080p push on a platform that struggles with 1080p? :P


In any case, I think MS should start boasting when they have a product that's close to release. The way it is right now, it's like if Sony was to boast that they have the most powerful next gen system, despite the PS5 not coming out until maybe 2020. -___-

It's all air right now. And boasting about a product that hasn't even been shown to the public in any form, and won't release for an other year, comes off as desperate. That's not mentioning the lies in those claims, of course. With the state they're in right now in the market, MS certainly isn't in a position where they can afford to be cocky and arrogant.

The price of this thing is going to be murder in Canada. But, were I an Xbox guy, I'd be stoked.

walsufnir said: "The Cell is a thousand times faster than any other chip! Please buy a PS3." Console marketing business as usual. But interesting that so many people who never had the slightest interest to buy a MS console anyway talk about it

I don't really understand what's interesting about that. Why do you have to want to own something to enjoy discussing it? The Scorpio is borderline redundant to me (my PC is already considerably stronger than even the most optimistic Scorpio spec predictions, and thanks to MS's W10 initiative i'll be able to run their own games at higher performance rates than the Scorpio), but it's still fun to talk about. I've never bought an AMD card either, but i still talk about them in great detail on reddit all the time. Hell, I've had several long and very enjoyable conversations here on VGC about the tech in racing sims like Forza and GT, yet i still find them mind-numbing to play.

Really though, comments like this don't serve much purpose other than to "heat up a discussion where it's not needed." as you put it in another comment. We could likewise say it's 'interesting' that many Xbox fans who previously actively mocked resolution differences and discussions are suddenly jumping at the opperunity to join in, or point out the reverse for many PlayStation fans. Doing so really doesn't accomplish much though. 

That's grasping at straws. I don't recall 1080p being the focus when X1 launched. During unveiling of PS4 Pro, that console was virtually synonymous 4K. We were lead people to believe everything running was at native 4K. People were also surprised this 4K driven device can't play UHD Bluray discs.

Lastly, X1 does 1080p more than PS4 Pro will likely do 4K.

Edit: One more lastly, we obviously have a higher expectation of 4K on Scropio given their boasting. So MS will catch a ton of shit if they don't deliver.

Sony never lead anyone to believe the PS4 Pro would be running everything in native 4K.

Cerny made it quite clear that they're using checkerboard in the first ever presentation of the PS4 Pro. They have never claimed all the games will be native 4k. If you were lead to believe everything was running 4K, that's on you, and your comprehension abilities.

Did not know we had details about pricing yet, especially in CAD. Care to share your source?

In any case I expect something around 499$-599 USD / 599-699$ CAD which is perfectly fine with me or maybe your source are talking about something higher?

I'm pretty sure they discussed checkerboard 4k at the first presentation. I guess you can argue it might have been slightly miss-leading at first since most didn't know what it was (so might have assumed it meant native), but Cerny explained the foundation of the method that same day (and has since demonstrated the entire process).

Anyway, i agree with your other point. Based on what we know so far, it seems like a reasonable assumption that the Pro will be hitting a native 4k less often than the X1 did 1080p. It does likewise appear that the average gap between the Pro and native 4k will be smaller than the X1 and 1080p though, so it's not all bad news. 

Yet for some reason a lot of people boasting about 4K on PS4 Pro. You can't blame them either, 4K was the focus of that event.

My comprehension abilities aren't the problem. Given the leaked specs I knew 4K was improbable. But they pushed so hard on 4K, it lead people to believe they made it happen.

I don't really care by the way, for the price its stil a significant upgrade. But if you can't see the irony of the 4K focus and what PS4 Pro can actually do... well think about it a little.

Well this isn't true. its just marketing introduced at a time when a competitor is looking to have a huge advantage over its current offering. I don't get how they can be pushing the Slim Xbox One and then trying to tell people not to buy the Pro at the same time... because of power.

In the end its just marketing and there is no reason to expect Microsoft to be 'truthful' with their advertising. I mean that number on console in America ad shows just how far they will go. I think their fans tend to like when Microsoft makes these statements as well because to them, even if it isn't true, it show them that Microsoft is dedicated to staying relevant at all costs.

Case and point, the PS4 Pro releases in about 2 weeks. it supports 4k. It supports high quality VR. It is only $50 more than Microsoft's 1TB offering and its over 3x as powerful. There is no Scorpio to purchase and it is still more than a year away. I have never seen a company try so hard to set the narrative when their product isn't even available for another year.

I think their advertising is one of their biggest cringe worthy attributes. Its about content not power. Look at PSVR. The Rift has higher resolution but PSVR has better content and has crushed all competition in a single day. By the same token, I don't trust Sony because I see what they are doing to Microsoft. I predict that if Scorpio is 499, we wills see Pro VR combos for 499 next year as well.

Cerny was VERY clear in his presentation as Hynad said.  It was that simple.  Now, I don't expect everyone to be "in tune" with a lot of this as most of us are, but I don't except Sony to include a transcript of Cerny's presentation with every instance when the PS4 Pro is mentioned.