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His points were still legit.

The Switch is a great handheld though. Obviously it cant compete as a home console but its by far the best handheld option you can buy right now (and kind of they only relevant one left). So there is definitly a market for this.

People should also not forget that quality/games and so arnt as important for success but marketing is. While nintendo is so far selling way more switches then wii u, they are also putting alot more money into marketing.

With enough marketing, you can basically sell anything. But marketing is also expensive, so selling less with less marketing can sometimes be better then selling more with tons of marketing.



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habam said:
His points were still legit.

The Switch is a great handheld though. Obviously it cant compete as a home console but its by far the best handheld option you can buy right now (and kind of they only relevant one left). So there is definitly a market for this.

People should also not forget that quality/games and so arnt as important for success but marketing is. While nintendo is so far selling way more switches then wii u, they are also putting alot more money into marketing.

With enough marketing, you can basically sell anything. But marketing is also expensive, so selling less with less marketing can sometimes be better then selling more with tons of marketing.

Both his points were completely wrong. The Switch was not dead on arrival nor did Nintendo make any lethal mistakes.

The reality is the Switch is on track to have the highest selling year one in videogaming history.



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habam said:
His points were still legit.

The Switch is a great handheld though. Obviously it cant compete as a home console but its by far the best handheld option you can buy right now (and kind of they only relevant one left). So there is definitly a market for this.

People should also not forget that quality/games and so arnt as important for success but marketing is. While nintendo is so far selling way more switches then wii u, they are also putting alot more money into marketing.

With enough marketing, you can basically sell anything. But marketing is also expensive, so selling less with less marketing can sometimes be better then selling more with tons of marketing.

So? it's better to have small profit with big investment than no profit at all.



SpokenTruth said:

No, they are not.

It also doubles as a great home console. 

Marketing expenses are not greater than during Wii U era.  Check their financials.  The message is just better.

Sales are up, revenue is up, profits are up, marketing costs are pretty much flat. 

Sorry but a home console from 2017 with the power of the boosted ps3 that didnt even come with a decent controller for home console play while the ps4 (way stronger, better lineup) is around 250$ isnt a great home console.

 

If your looking for a home console only and dont like/need the mobility factor + arnt a big nintendo fan (who wouldve bought the new nintendo system no matter what), there really isnt any logical reason to get this system over a ps4.

 

If you like the possibility to use it on the go its great (strongest handheld currently) but if you arnt interested in it, this is just not your console.

 

 

I dont know about their marketing budgets but if they really pay the same as for the wii u they defiitly screwed the wii u up heavily. The wii u had almost no adds, there was no super bowl add and i know many gamers that didnt even know about the wiiu for several years. The switch is handled alot better.

 



I just realized something...

You know how it used to be true that in every console generation (at least since the 32-bit era), the console considered most powerful from a tech standpoint has never been the sales leader up until now?

The PS4 is looking like it's going to break that streak, but if the Switch can catch it in lifetime sales, then the streak remains alive.



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habam said:

Sorry but a home console from 2017 with the power of the boosted ps3 that didnt even come with a decent controller for home console play while the ps4 (way stronger, better lineup) is around 250$ isnt a great home console.

 

If your looking for a home console only and dont like/need the mobility factor + arnt a big nintendo fan (who wouldve bought the new nintendo system no matter what), there really isnt any logical reason to get this system over a ps4.

 

If you like the possibility to use it on the go its great (strongest handheld currently) but if you arnt interested in it, this is just not your console.

 

 

I dont know about their marketing budgets but if they really pay the same as for the wii u they defiitly screwed the wii u up heavily. The wii u had almost no adds, there was no super bowl add and i know many gamers that didnt even know about the wiiu for several years. The switch is handled alot better.

 

Really? No reason at all? How about the fact that, in its first 8 months, Switch already has two games that are more critically acclaimed than the entire PS4 library?

The vast majority of the market doesn't care about having the highest performance possible. They just want to play good games.

People don't just "look for a home console," they look for games that they want to play and then purchase a console that has those games. This is what fuels Nintendo's success: Their exclusive games are far and away the most desirable in the industry, as the sales data makes abundantly clear.

Last edited by StarDoor - on 31 October 2017

habam said:
SpokenTruth said:

No, they are not.

It also doubles as a great home console. 

Marketing expenses are not greater than during Wii U era.  Check their financials.  The message is just better.

Sales are up, revenue is up, profits are up, marketing costs are pretty much flat. 

Sorry but a home console from 2017 with the power of the boosted ps3 that didnt even come with a decent controller for home console play while the ps4 (way stronger, better lineup) is around 250$ isnt a great home console.

 

If your looking for a home console only and dont like/need the mobility factor + arnt a big nintendo fan (who wouldve bought the new nintendo system no matter what), there really isnt any logical reason to get this system over a ps4.

 

If you like the possibility to use it on the go its great (strongest handheld currently) but if you arnt interested in it, this is just not your console.

 

 

I dont know about their marketing budgets but if they really pay the same as for the wii u they defiitly screwed the wii u up heavily. The wii u had almost no adds, there was no super bowl add and i know many gamers that didnt even know about the wiiu for several years. The switch is handled alot better.

 

According to Nintendo, only about 31 percent of people use their Switch only as a handheld: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=232578

I'd say it's a great console. Any console that has Breath of the Wild, Splatoon, Mario Kart and Mario Odyssey is a great console. The rest of your post is just Captain Obvious stuff.



habam said:
SpokenTruth said:

No, they are not.

It also doubles as a great home console. 

Marketing expenses are not greater than during Wii U era.  Check their financials.  The message is just better.

Sales are up, revenue is up, profits are up, marketing costs are pretty much flat. 

Sorry but a home console from 2017 with the power of the boosted ps3 that didnt even come with a decent controller for home console play while the ps4 (way stronger, better lineup) is around 250$ isnt a great home console.

It is if it has the best two rated games of this year on it.

Last edited by Green098 - on 31 October 2017

burninmylight said:
I just realized something...

You know how it used to be true that in every console generation (at least since the 32-bit era), the console considered most powerful from a tech standpoint has never been the sales leader up until now?

The PS4 is looking like it's going to break that streak, but if the Switch can catch it in lifetime sales, then the streak remains alive.

switch is 9th gen, its competing with the ps5, not ps4. The Wii U was the PS4s equivalent.



StarDoor said:

Really? No reason at all? How about the fact that, in its first 8 months, Switch already has two games that are more critically acclaimed than the entire PS4 library?

Zelda was also on Wii U.

Last 3D Mario (meta 93) was on Wii U.

2 Zelda remastered (high metas) where on wii u.

Bayo 2 (meta92) and Smash (meta 92) were on wii u.

 

PS4 has GTA 5 (97 as well).

 

General people arnt caring as much about scores as you think. Switch would have sold the same even if zelda and mario would just had a meta score of ~93.