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thomvrell said:
Oh for sure, because a system that fuses their handheld and console divisions, meaning all the games the 3ds got minimum, much better consumer and developer reception, and with 2 system sellers in 9 months of each other, all of that means the Switch will suffer the same fate as the Wii U because it's not as powerful as the vast minority want it to be. I mean it's not like the inferior (In terms of power) PS1, PS2, or Wii had any trouble dominating their respective generations. Man I swear the posters in these forums really think their opinions are gospel and irrefutable eh, especially when it comes to Nintendo. I mean it's no different from gaming journalist articles, nothing but clickbait/letting off steam. Meanwhile the reception everywhere else on the internet (Youtube, Facebook, Twitter) has been overwhelmingly positive.

PS1/PS2 were relatively close hardware wise to their competetion. Wii wasn't but it had a completely brand new hook and no smartphones/tablets to compete against for the attention of a large demographic, Switch does not have either luxury. 

Also Wii was the cheapest console, between the Switch and base PS4 and XB1, Switch might actually be the most expensive. 

You can find XB1 and PS4 for under $300 quite easily and that's with a game bundled and a 500GB+ HDD. 



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I don't agree that it's DOA in the West, not with Zelda and not with the amount of massive Nintendo fans that will buy the console regardless. There is probably still a million people who would buy Switch if all it came with was Superman 64 HD.

A good launch lineup is not particularly important for sales because of this. More important is what comes after. MK8 Deluxe may help shift a few units. Splatoon 2 will be a system seller in Japan and will help push *some* sales in EU and US. I see it doing ok up until September or so. The holiday season is the problem.

MS will have Scorpio. Sony will slash Pro price, and will have Desitny 2, RDR2, Cod and Battlefront 2. Mario is not enough. It will help sell systems for sure, but can't do much alone. It all comes down to Pokemon for me. I can buy into Nintendo not wanting to say anything about it yet due to Sun & Moon releasing just two months ago. If Pokemon Stars is ready for the holiday season, then I think the Switch can have a decent year. If they can have a Switch Pokemon bundle for $299 in November and December, then I think that, although it will still come third behind PS4 and X1, it can hold it's own to a reasonable extent. Maybe end the year with 6m sales or so. Without Pokemon, then it really will be a struggle with that price point.

2018 onward I have no idea. I can't believe how little software there is with firm release dates given the lack of Wii U and 3DS support in the last 18 months. Where the hell is Pikmin 4 for instance?

I still see it selling more than Wii U to a reasonable extent, but it seems like they have messed up a bit so far.



Soundwave said:
thomvrell said:
Oh for sure, because a system that fuses their handheld and console divisions, meaning all the games the 3ds got minimum, much better consumer and developer reception, and with 2 system sellers in 9 months of each other, all of that means the Switch will suffer the same fate as the Wii U because it's not as powerful as the vast minority want it to be. I mean it's not like the inferior (In terms of power) PS1, PS2, or Wii had any trouble dominating their respective generations. Man I swear the posters in these forums really think their opinions are gospel and irrefutable eh, especially when it comes to Nintendo. I mean it's no different from gaming journalist articles, nothing but clickbait/letting off steam. Meanwhile the reception everywhere else on the internet (Youtube, Facebook, Twitter) has been overwhelmingly positive.

PS1/PS2 were relatively close hardware wise to their competetion. Wii wasn't but it had a completely brand new hook and no smartphones/tablets to compete against for the attention of a large demographic, Switch does not have either luxury. 

Also Wii was the cheapest console, between the Switch and base PS4 and XB1, Switch might actually be the most expensive. 

You can find XB1 and PS4 for under $300 quite easily and that's with a game bundled and a 500GB+ HDD. 

No, PS1 wasn't close. Switch fuses the luxury of core gaming with casual form. Tablets are also something most people in the first world are familiar with, so the form factor of the Switch will appeal to many. The Wii also had DS alongside it which sold 150+ million, meaning a split userbase, while Switch is combining Nintendo's userbase.

For the average consumer, a PS4 or Xbox One, both being 3.5 years old vs a new console that has casual appeal and is marketed as both a console and a handheld for the same (Debateable) price, with a strong system seller lainching alongside it, I am confident with 100% certainty that it will not be a Wii U situation all over again.



bananaking21 said:

Update:

3 months later and here we are. i said the NS will be dead on arrival in the west and i fairly confident in that prediction. and while a lot of the communication blunders they commited at the reveal are now rectified. the main issues have proven to turn out true. on the Home console side, The Switch is is outdated, less capable and weak, and much more expensive than a home console with those specs should be. and on the portable side its a way to expensive for a handheld, less portable and a much weaker battery life. 

 

As a result of its weaker hardware third parties are ditching the Switch for the most part. No Mass Effect, Ghost Recon, For Honor, FF15, Red Dead, Prey, Resident Evil and so on. And Nintendo's approach to software isnt any better. still insisting on these over priced ridiculous Mini games. 1, 2 Switch? sigh... Arms.... Sigh... 

This whole thing just seems like another WiiU all over again.

 

 

Original OP:

 

The Dust is starting to settle of the Nintendo Switch announcement. And its pretty clear Nintendo hasnt learnt much after the horrendous WiiU Reveal.

 

- The Trailer certainly gives a better idea about what the NX is, much more than the WiiU trailer did. The trailer gives the impression that the NS is a Hybrid system. however, nintendo did say that the docking station only serves to connect the NS to the TV, as well as provide power. basically, the Dock is pretty much a glorified charging station that has an HDMI, Thus resulting it in technicially being a portable. you wouldnt call a PSP a "Hybrid" because you can connect it to a TV with a cable, right? However, one of the issues arises when Nintendo is calling the NS a "home gaming system". even though it technicially isnt.

 

- The first point isnt that bad, its not a huge problem sure. it doesnt really matter what the NS technicially is considered if the consumers like it. but it does show that Nintendo still has a communiction problem, and that these 3 minute trailers are no where near enough to illustrate what their consoles are and what they have to offer. 


- Nintendo then goes on to say that no new information will be given out until next year. Leaving a plethora amount of crucial questions unanswered. which is simply baffling. so many crucial questions go unanswered. for a system that is just 5 months away from launch, the number of question marks circling around the reveal is outstanding.

Taking a look at PS4 reveal, the shortcomings are astronomical in comparison. First and foremost, Sony took the time to explain their vision for their new console, where they believe the market place is heading, where they would like to take it. they explained what type of gamers the PS4 would appeal to. they explained the PS4's specs, what its capable of and what we can expect, they talked about networking features,  they showed their support for devs, both tripple A and indie, and what comes in between. And most importantly they announced games, and many of them.  Nintendo didnt bother to do any of these things. 

 

- This takes us to another point, The Games. What types of games are we expected to play on the NS? how can nintendo reveal a new console, without revealing any games for it? and a massive miscommunication blunder accures here. Skyrim and NBA for both shown for the NS, yet it turns out, both games arent even confirmed for the console. how can this be? How can Nintendo show off this console with games that arent even confirmed for the system yet? chances are they are coming to the system, yes. but the fact that nobody can be certain is just mind boggling, and shows a huge in inefficiency at communicating what this system has to offer. whats even more confusing is that they showed off first party games, that arent even confirmed. are mario kart, splatoon and 3D mario new games? are they ports? are they even coming to the system? How can nintendo not have these questions answered?

 

- With the NS, Nintendo seems to have made a similar issue they did with the WiiU. They are making a system that is trying to appeal to everybody, which in return will appeal to nobody. well obviously not nobody nobody, but you get my point. As Nintendo said, NS is supposed to be their next "Home System". But by making it a hybrid, they have lost a crucial aspect that other home systems have. the fact that its a dedicated home system. adding portability to it means that is will be weaker, it will be less capable, and it will be more expensive than it should be, in exchange for offering a feature that dedicated console gamers dont want or really need. does that ring a bell? if not, ill spill it out for you. its one of the main issues the WiiU had. 


And the same logic goes for the portable gaming consumer. The system is more expenisve, has less portability, and will have a weaker battery life. and whats baffling here is not did Nintendo not learn from their mistakes, they also didnt learn from Sony's with the Vita. consumers dont really want AAA and home console gaming experiences on the go. 


My rant can go on for even longer than it already is. but to try and cut it a bit, lets see how many unanswered questions there are about the NS. How powerfull is the NS? what games are on it? What games can we expect at launch? whats the price? how much storage does it have? does it support HDR? what kind of network features does it have? does it have virtual console support? does it have apps like netflix and youtube? is the screen a touch screen? how long is the batter life? how big is the screen? Does it support external hard drives? what type of screen does it have? 

 

As it stands now, Nintendo is just selling us the concept, not the product itself. and considering that the NS is releasing in roughly 5 months, that is concerning to say the least. And Nintendos refusal to even talk about their console is not only puzzling, but out right stupid. Nintendo seems to be a company that refuses to learn from its mistakes, and the mistakes done by others. 

So bananaking, do you still feel the NS is dead on arrival?



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KLAMarine said:
bananaking21 said:

Update:

3 months later and here we are. i said the NS will be dead on arrival in the west and i fairly confident in that prediction. and while a lot of the communication blunders they commited at the reveal are now rectified. the main issues have proven to turn out true. on the Home console side, The Switch is is outdated, less capable and weak, and much more expensive than a home console with those specs should be. and on the portable side its a way to expensive for a handheld, less portable and a much weaker battery life. 

 

As a result of its weaker hardware third parties are ditching the Switch for the most part. No Mass Effect, Ghost Recon, For Honor, FF15, Red Dead, Prey, Resident Evil and so on. And Nintendo's approach to software isnt any better. still insisting on these over priced ridiculous Mini games. 1, 2 Switch? sigh... Arms.... Sigh... 

This whole thing just seems like another WiiU all over again.

 

 

Original OP:

 

The Dust is starting to settle of the Nintendo Switch announcement. And its pretty clear Nintendo hasnt learnt much after the horrendous WiiU Reveal.

 

- The Trailer certainly gives a better idea about what the NX is, much more than the WiiU trailer did. The trailer gives the impression that the NS is a Hybrid system. however, nintendo did say that the docking station only serves to connect the NS to the TV, as well as provide power. basically, the Dock is pretty much a glorified charging station that has an HDMI, Thus resulting it in technicially being a portable. you wouldnt call a PSP a "Hybrid" because you can connect it to a TV with a cable, right? However, one of the issues arises when Nintendo is calling the NS a "home gaming system". even though it technicially isnt.

 

- The first point isnt that bad, its not a huge problem sure. it doesnt really matter what the NS technicially is considered if the consumers like it. but it does show that Nintendo still has a communiction problem, and that these 3 minute trailers are no where near enough to illustrate what their consoles are and what they have to offer. 


- Nintendo then goes on to say that no new information will be given out until next year. Leaving a plethora amount of crucial questions unanswered. which is simply baffling. so many crucial questions go unanswered. for a system that is just 5 months away from launch, the number of question marks circling around the reveal is outstanding.

Taking a look at PS4 reveal, the shortcomings are astronomical in comparison. First and foremost, Sony took the time to explain their vision for their new console, where they believe the market place is heading, where they would like to take it. they explained what type of gamers the PS4 would appeal to. they explained the PS4's specs, what its capable of and what we can expect, they talked about networking features,  they showed their support for devs, both tripple A and indie, and what comes in between. And most importantly they announced games, and many of them.  Nintendo didnt bother to do any of these things. 

 

- This takes us to another point, The Games. What types of games are we expected to play on the NS? how can nintendo reveal a new console, without revealing any games for it? and a massive miscommunication blunder accures here. Skyrim and NBA for both shown for the NS, yet it turns out, both games arent even confirmed for the console. how can this be? How can Nintendo show off this console with games that arent even confirmed for the system yet? chances are they are coming to the system, yes. but the fact that nobody can be certain is just mind boggling, and shows a huge in inefficiency at communicating what this system has to offer. whats even more confusing is that they showed off first party games, that arent even confirmed. are mario kart, splatoon and 3D mario new games? are they ports? are they even coming to the system? How can nintendo not have these questions answered?

 

- With the NS, Nintendo seems to have made a similar issue they did with the WiiU. They are making a system that is trying to appeal to everybody, which in return will appeal to nobody. well obviously not nobody nobody, but you get my point. As Nintendo said, NS is supposed to be their next "Home System". But by making it a hybrid, they have lost a crucial aspect that other home systems have. the fact that its a dedicated home system. adding portability to it means that is will be weaker, it will be less capable, and it will be more expensive than it should be, in exchange for offering a feature that dedicated console gamers dont want or really need. does that ring a bell? if not, ill spill it out for you. its one of the main issues the WiiU had. 


And the same logic goes for the portable gaming consumer. The system is more expenisve, has less portability, and will have a weaker battery life. and whats baffling here is not did Nintendo not learn from their mistakes, they also didnt learn from Sony's with the Vita. consumers dont really want AAA and home console gaming experiences on the go. 


My rant can go on for even longer than it already is. but to try and cut it a bit, lets see how many unanswered questions there are about the NS. How powerfull is the NS? what games are on it? What games can we expect at launch? whats the price? how much storage does it have? does it support HDR? what kind of network features does it have? does it have virtual console support? does it have apps like netflix and youtube? is the screen a touch screen? how long is the batter life? how big is the screen? Does it support external hard drives? what type of screen does it have? 

 

As it stands now, Nintendo is just selling us the concept, not the product itself. and considering that the NS is releasing in roughly 5 months, that is concerning to say the least. And Nintendos refusal to even talk about their console is not only puzzling, but out right stupid. Nintendo seems to be a company that refuses to learn from its mistakes, and the mistakes done by others. 

So bananaking, do you still feel the NS is dead on arrival?

In Japan certainly not. In the USA it had a strong first month, but the lack of numbers in its second month is suspicious, however I'll wait till we actually​ know them. In Europe same thing, launch was strong for the most part, but I'll wait for more numbers. 

 

While I could have been wrong about its launch, I still doubt it's long term future. Let's see how things manifest this holiday season.

 

But hey, if I was wrong, I was wrong, not like I could care much to be honest. 



bananaking21 said:
KLAMarine said:

So bananaking, do you still feel the NS is dead on arrival?

In Japan certainly not. In the USA it had a strong first month, but the lack of numbers in its second month is suspicious, however I'll wait till we actually​ know them. In Europe same thing, launch was strong for the most part, but I'll wait for more numbers. 

 

While I could have been wrong about its launch, I still doubt it's long term future. Let's see how things manifest this holiday season.

 

But hey, if I was wrong, I was wrong, not like I could care much to be honest. 

Props on responding. Too often people just run and hide.



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