| maxleresistant said: The ps4 reveal was one of the best ever made. Nintendo should have learned from it. As for the switch having a good buzz on the internet, of course, nintendo fanboys are always here to make a lot of noises and tbh the console is a good fit for gamers. But the general public won't follow at all. The switch is really not made for them. The switch could be a nice success though maybe up to 35 millions. But not more than that, the concept, the size, the third party support, it won't be a success like the ps4 or the 3ds. |
In my opinion Switchg is having a mixed buzz now and investors are a bit worried since Nintendo stocks fell after the reveal.
| Dark_Feanor said: Nothing to add. Moderated - Leadified |
I'm not sure.
If NS gets a mainline Pokemon game, NS could sell more than Wii U easily. Not that Wii U sold a lot. lol
| Arkaign said: OP is pretty close to my thoughts, and I say that as someone who thought the WiiU's exclusives were far and away better than Sony's or Microsoft's. Can a company succeed in selling a console without a lot of success in getting third party support and being people's 'primary' gaming box? I know Sony and Microsoft make a lot of money by : Selling 1st party games Selling 3rd party games (platform fees) Selling paid online Selling ad revenue Selling expensive peripherals Nintendo has the 1st party games and peripherals down pat, but misses a lot of revenue in being the place to play Cod/Madden/BF/Fifa/etc. Pretty much everyone has a primary console they play by default, because of friends/controller or whatever. Tech wise I won't go into extreme detail, but it would take a combination of high cost and technological miracles for this to be any more than about Xbox One level, and it's probably a fair bit under that. IOW : perfectly fantastic for Nintendo IPs, but multiplats will suffer even if they get ported at all. The Wii was one of those landmark moments where there was a complete craze about it. In a lot of ways, people bought it because it was popular, which sounds circular, but I know so many people that bought it for Wii Fit or Wii Sports, heck they were all over retirement homes even. It was a cultural phenomenon. Those were different times though. The 360 was barely getting started to be honest, and PS3 was this ludicrously expensive thing that was struggling a bit (talking USA market 06-08). Let's look at the last 20 years of Nintendo Consoles N64 Gamecube Wii WiiU Show me the one that had great third party support? Aside from the Wii, show me the one that had significant sales success? 1st party clearly isn't the problem, because I'd put the libraries of Nintendo Exclusives on those system up there as many of the best games of all time. Price wasn't the problem for most of those, though WiiU was hamstrung a bit IMHO due to the BoM cost of the tablet (I still believe to this day had WiiU launched as Super Wii or whatever haha, and been just the same hardware sans tablet for $179, that it would have possibly double the install base) I like Nintendo, I want them to succeed. I'm just not sure where the Switch fits in that will dramatically change the story for them. For those that want a good home console and don't care about mobility, it inarguably IS a compromise with the tablet form factor. Because think about it, the tablet choice causes : 1- Expenses to be tied up in a screen you don't care about or need. 2- Expenses to be tied up in a dock apparatus you don't care about or need. 3- Expenses to be tied up in a battery setup you don't care about or need. 4- Performance to be lower due to form factor constrictions (heat dissipation, pcb layout, size, power consumption) In other words, the very design of Switch means that a hypothetical $250 device is instantly weaker than had it bad a traditional design without the mobile/tablet/battery path of tablet form factor. At the same time, it also means that if you decide on the exact same performance profile, something that might cost $250 to deliver in a tablet form factor could be sold for $129 or so without the screen, battery, and dock. That doesn't matter if you DO want that as a compelling reason to buy the system, but IS that a compelling reason to buy the system? That's up to you. I would counter that the proven reason to buy Nintendo systems is their proven track record of outstanding 1st party titles that are often landmarks for their generations. That's all I can say for now, I'll wait with everyone else for the results on this. I'm not very optimistic, but I suppose even if it fails to gain major support, at least it will bring some more excellent nintendo games, and that's a positive in my book. |
People think that Nintendo can survive with Mario and Zelda only. The thing is, Wii U has Mario and Zelda and didn't survive. I'm not confident that Nintendo can survive more ten years by its own content alone.
The thing you said about the expenses on the screen you don't care is valid in vice versa, because for people that want handheld only experiece, the ideal is Nintendo releasing a tablet-only solution for $150.
So yes, NS is a weak home console and it might be an expensive tablet. :(
| Viktor said: Really weak argument from you, consoles in general are seen as less profitable than smartphone apps by investors and they judge accordingly. Pokemon Go alone will end up generating more combined profit than the whole PS division this year, just to put things in perspective. |
Please, elaborate. Why do you believe that Pokemon Go alone will end up making all this profit. It's revenues are extraordinary so far, but you're talking about a lot of profit.
Mummelmann said:
No worries, man, just came home from a 30 hour shift myself... Well, you are someone I consider above average intelligent on these boards, and you make some good points. A teaser in itself may not be a bad idea, I disagree more with the actual content, and the somewhat confusing message from Nintendo in calling it a home gaming system when emphasis seems to lie on the mobile aspects, this is doubly confusing when adding the fact that they've denied that this is the successor to their actual handheld line, for now at least. I think they're walking a dangerous path, they're going more or less right at the tablet segment of the market, with software that would otherwise not be played on tablet or smart devices, there's a good reason why most bigger and more complex software isn't published or widely played on tablets and phones. I think that the tablet form factor could harm more than help, it puts them directly in the line of fire in addition to causing certain limitations on things like battery life and, to a lesser extent, mobility. They need to convince what appears to be young adults and proffesionals in their 20's and 30's (if the teaser is anything to go by) that they want to carry with them an additional smart-like device, I think that it'll be a really tough sell. I fear they're going to place themselves somewhere between markets again with this solution. The teaser and feel of this whole thing is also more like that of smart devices, where they spring details on you practically on the eve of launch, this is not how one traditionally shows and presents more static devices in consumer electronics, and this is another suggestion that they're actually chasing the smart-device touting young person. I'm just not sure that the typical Mario and Zelda fans, or Nintendo fans for that matter, are the same as this phone and tablet worshipping crowd (yeah, I know, Pokemon Go, Pokemon is its own thing since way back when and most people who play Go don't own a Wii U, for instance). In short; Nintendo are seemingly, once more, trying to force a new market into being, not unlike with the Wii, which had an actual, unique hook for its target demographic with software that really complemented the hardware. They are pairing this with the attempted double-edged appeal of the Wii U, which we know failed spectacularly, and this has me worried for real. Maybe there's a master plan that I can't see, it wouldn't shock me, but it wouldn't shock me if there wasn't one either, to be honest. |
It gets even worse when you think that they're selling it as a "home console".
God bless You.
My Total Sales prediction for PS4 by the end of 2021: 110m+
When PS4 will hit 100m consoles sold: Before Christmas 2019
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