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Final-Fan said:
Sharu said:
Btw, look here:
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/cia-prepping-possible-cyber-strike-against-russia-n666636
Nbc news, is it a trusty channel or not?

I think NBC has most likely found out about something that is being contemplated.  That doesn't necessarily mean it is being contemplated very seriously.  For instance, our military has multiple times drawn up plans for invading Canada even though there has been no chance that it will happen since the early 1800s.  I understand that was done as kind of a thought exercise with places they are more familiar with to help their ability to plan out stuff in places they are less familiar with. 

The article itself says that no decision has been made to carry out such an attack, but on the other hand it does seem like it is being considered as a more serious possiblity than invading Canada.  As a Russian, how would you feel if the parts of the Internet that your government is censoring (blocking Russians from accessing) were no longer censored due to U.S. action? 

Well, yes, its a bad journalism.

Its a MoD work - to have military plans for all the possible outcomes. I'm 100% sure Russia have a plan to invade Baltic countries. But it also have a plan to stop NATO invasion from Baltic countries. Its normal and its just a part of their duty. 
I'm sure USA MoD have plans for war with Mexico and Canada. Bacause its their job to have plans for this situations. 

Another fresh example. Several days ago it was an article in Russia that Major of Saint Petersburg made a paper that the city is to have a supply of food for one month for all 6 million of its people. Newspapers start raging thats its a 'preparing to war and so on'. 
Until somebody read the actual paper. Which is continuing of previous one. Etc, etc, and this food reserve is on place at least from Soviet times. And its a NORMAL thing to have food reserve in a big city. 

But media've taken that 'news' out of context and tryed to make 'preparing to war' conclusions. 

 

Regarding so called censorship in the Internet - its hard for me to say what you mean. We had two big cases of so called 'censorship' lately. 

One was on the copiright issues - they 'closed access' to the biggest russian torrent site, rutracker.org 
That site is important for me cause I'm uploading my music there for free distribution. In the end - I still don't have any problems accessing it. And for those who have - its enough to put 'turbo mode' in browser on to avoid it. Its hardly a 'censorship'.

Another one was with closing access to different porno sites. Thats normal, porno distribution is illegal in Russia. But I'm sure those who want it - can get an access easily.



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loy310 said:
Russia is about to have a bloody revolution. Putin have been i power too long and is causing more harm than good at this point.

Thats a foolish remark. Putin's ratings are high. People in Russia really love him. So no, only in your wet dreams man.

To the OP. Bad journalism again ((
NTV is not exactly 'government owned channel'. Russian media situation is a bit compilcated. Our biggest opposition channels are mostly financed by government too. 
For example 'Echo of Moscow' - the most famous opposition radio/tv in Russia with a lot of dirt over country and Putin, is owned by Gazprom Media. And Gazprom Media owned by Gasprom. And Gazprom mostly owned by government.

Its strange for me - that people who hate our country are allowed to do it with our country's money - but thats how it is. 

If I'm not mistaken (which is quite possible here) NTV channel is owned by Gazprom too. It WAS oposition channel 15-12 years ago. Now its mostly a bullshit channel.

But again - I'm not an expert - cause I watch TV two times per year.
31st of December at 23:55 i'm hearing words of President congratulating our country with a New Year. Thats a Russian tradition. We staying with a glass of champaigne, listening to our president, then we have a New Year moment and we hear and singing (those who want it) our hymn.
And 9th of May I watch a military parade on a Red Square - which is mostly fantastic. Thats a tradition in my family too.

At other times - TVs in my flat are just a big screens for movies/series and games.



Nuclear war is inevitable. It will happen at some point, if it's not Putin or Trump, it will be someone else. We only can hope that we don't live long enough to witness it. But after 30 years on this planet, I'm fully convinced that humankind is just too fuckin' stupid to ever let war go for good. History keeps repeting itself, people just don't learn and hold onto religion and other crazy shit until this very day. Humanity has failed, Game Over, try again.

One can only hope there is or will be some alien lifeform without the major flaws of humans. Otherwise, the universe is fucked! =P



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Sharu said:

Regarding so called censorship in the Internet - its hard for me to say what you mean. We had two big cases of so called 'censorship' lately. 

One was on the copiright issues - they 'closed access' to the biggest russian torrent site, rutracker.org 
That site is important for me cause I'm uploading my music there for free distribution. In the end - I still don't have any problems accessing it. And for those who have - its enough to put 'turbo mode' in browser on to avoid it. Its hardly a 'censorship'.

Another one was with closing access to different porno sites. Thats normal, porno distribution is illegal in Russia. But I'm sure those who want it - can get an access easily.

Hmm, what do you make of this Wikipedia page? 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_censorship_in_Russia



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Machina said:
Final-Fan said:

The problem is that Clinton being the more hawkish of the two doesn't necessarily mean that she is more likely to start a war with Russia in my mind.  I think Clinton will be very aware of what she is doing in regard to foreign policy and the likely results of her actions.  That's not to say she will never make mistakes, but she has a lot of experience dealing with Russia.  I believe she can take a hard line stance on issues without getting into armed conflict.  I do not trust Trump to not aggravate a tense situation and potentially get into an avoidable armed conflict.  He seems to treat things in a binary way, from what I've heard, where you are either a friend or an enemy with precious little room in between; and when you are an enemy he responds with lots of threats and bluster.  In other words, he is not a good diplomat. 

The problem with that argument is she clearly did not think through her actions (both in the Obama administration and in her support of ventures during the Bush era) in the Middle East, so why would she be any better in relation to Russia, especially when she (and the Democrats currently in government) is so anti-Russia on the campaign trail? Vs Trump who is clearly in favour of detante with Russia.

People's dislike of Trump and his personality is blinding them to the fact that Clinton has previous on this issue. They, like you here, are choosing to ignore her weaknesses on things like this simply because their hatred for Trump outweighs anything that Clinton has done in the past, irrespective of Trumps actual stance on the issue.

For what it's worth I think this is mostly bluster on Clinton's part; she's playing it up for the cameras to her base but in office I don't see her acting any different regarding Russia than Obama or Bush. 

Are you saying the sanctions against Russia have been ineffectual and/or the wrong way to answer their annexation of Crimea and their involvement in what was going on in Ukraine?  What does Trump actually propose?  A brief search turned up nothing concrete, just saying that he would be better.

P.S.  Remember that there is a difference between diplomacy between actual nations and dealing with popular movements and insurgencies.  The current point of discussion is the former, not the latter.  Iran was brought to the table under the Obama administration, but I guess Trump supporters would call that a strike against Clinton.  That situation also involved pressuring a nation into coming to heel through the use of sanctions. 



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Final-Fan said:
Sharu said:

Regarding so called censorship in the Internet - its hard for me to say what you mean. We had two big cases of so called 'censorship' lately. 

One was on the copiright issues - they 'closed access' to the biggest russian torrent site, rutracker.org 
That site is important for me cause I'm uploading my music there for free distribution. In the end - I still don't have any problems accessing it. And for those who have - its enough to put 'turbo mode' in browser on to avoid it. Its hardly a 'censorship'.

Another one was with closing access to different porno sites. Thats normal, porno distribution is illegal in Russia. But I'm sure those who want it - can get an access easily.

Hmm, what do you make of this Wikipedia page? 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_censorship_in_Russia

It maybe some cases there, but its nothing interesting for average joe. Two biggest censorships ive described above. Strangely, but its not in your Wiki. Oh, Rutracker is in there. As I wrote - no real problems accessing it.

Yeah, information about drugs using is closed here and there. And yes, cannabis is a prohibited drug in Russia.



Sharu said:
Final-Fan said:

Hmm, what do you make of this Wikipedia page? 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_censorship_in_Russia

It maybe some cases there, but its nothing interesting for average joe. Two biggest censorships ive described above. Strangely, but its not in your Wiki. Oh, Rutracker is in there. As I wrote - no real problems accessing it.

Yeah, information about drugs using is closed here and there. And yes, cannabis is a prohibited drug in Russia.

So, the hypothetical "attack" wouldn't even really do much?  Interesting.  In that case, I guess Putin doesn't have anything to fear unless there is some really juicy stuff about him they have ready to leak. 



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Final-Fan said:
Sharu said:

It maybe some cases there, but its nothing interesting for average joe. Two biggest censorships ive described above. Strangely, but its not in your Wiki. Oh, Rutracker is in there. As I wrote - no real problems accessing it.

Yeah, information about drugs using is closed here and there. And yes, cannabis is a prohibited drug in Russia.

So, the hypothetical "attack" wouldn't even really do much?  Interesting.  In that case, I guess Putin doesn't have anything to fear unless there is some really juicy stuff about him they have ready to leak. 

If CIA had something with substance on Putin, NYT would be shouting about it at least 2 years non-stop. So I assume they have nothing real.

I see the situation as following:

1. Hillary was too 'free speaking' in her emails.
2. Emails got leaked by some group. Likely connected to White House.
3. Hillary uses it to attack Trump and get attention OUT from real things which were said in the emails.
4. Best way to create buzz from nothing is 'Russian threat'. Relations with Russia are very bad and likely can't be worse. And we understand that thats a good card to be played on the elections. In any case whoever to be next President this words after election will mean nothing, and we'll come back to real business.
5. But to show that Hillarys emails leaked by Russians is bad too and can lead to unsecure thoughts. So Russia have to be punished for what it haven't done.
6. Then CIA says that they preparing th attack which will show Putin its place. Closer to elections they'll say that they've punished evil Putin enough, and USA people will be happy, cause good is on top and evil got its punishment. When in real life nothing happened aside from too long tongue of some old lady.

Btw, did you saw a part of CNN interview with Russian foreign minister, mr Lavrov, regarding 'too much pussies in the USA president campaign'? ))))
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rV53GoMGHM4



CaptainExplosion said:
Eagle367 said:

If the country and it's people are happy, what's your problem. If you wanna talk about disturbing the international community , then what about vietnam, iraq, afghanistan, lebanon and a whole host of others and the whole british colonies thing and the whole european countries  invading others etc etc

Let me repeat what I just told you; "letting Ukrain rebels shoot down MH17 WHICH HAS NOW BEEN PROVEN TRUE".

THEY USED BUK MISSILE LAUNCHERS. IN A WAR HE STARTED. That's why it's Putin's fault. He needs to take responsibility for this.

Then what about America giving weapons to rebels in another countries problems or sellling them I don't know. USA also sells war for its own propaganda and both are wrong Just accept that the west and Russia is wrong and then you can talk to me about what Russia does



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Sharu said:
Final-Fan said:

So, the hypothetical "attack" wouldn't even really do much?  Interesting.  In that case, I guess Putin doesn't have anything to fear unless there is some really juicy stuff about him they have ready to leak. 

If CIA had something with substance on Putin, NYT would be shouting about it at least 2 years non-stop. So I assume they have nothing real.

I see the situation as following:

1. Hillary was too 'free speaking' in her emails.
2. Emails got leaked by some group. Likely connected to White House.
3. Hillary uses it to attack Trump and get attention OUT from real things which were said in the emails.
4. Best way to create buzz from nothing is 'Russian threat'. Relations with Russia are very bad and likely can't be worse. And we understand that thats a good card to be played on the elections. In any case whoever to be next President this words after election will mean nothing, and we'll come back to real business.
5. But to show that Hillarys emails leaked by Russians is bad too and can lead to unsecure thoughts. So Russia have to be punished for what it haven't done.
6. Then CIA says that they preparing th attack which will show Putin its place. Closer to elections they'll say that they've punished evil Putin enough, and USA people will be happy, cause good is on top and evil got its punishment. When in real life nothing happened aside from too long tongue of some old lady.

Btw, did you saw a part of CNN interview with Russian foreign minister, mr Lavrov, regarding 'too much pussies in the USA president campaign'? ))))
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rV53GoMGHM4

yeah that Russia email hack is a load of balony and hilary and trump both are psychopaths no more or less dangerous than putin



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