Miyamotoo said:
JustBeingReal said: So Boogie's saying it has 2 units, it's got a handheld part and a console unit, with two separate units, but that both work together, he's not saying it's a tablet which houses all of the processing tech and that the console is just a dock that functions as a dummy unit which only transports the game your playing to the TV. If the handheld was the center of the system then it could play the full game anywhere using only it's own processing tech, it wouldn't need the console to be complete. This isn't a single unit that functions like a hybrid, it's a console and a handheld you buy in the same box at the shop and you have everything, Nintendo can use one complete system with these two units to sell the future of their handheld and console games to a single audience. The beauty of this is that you don't have the limitations of a small tablet form factor, but you can play everything that Nintendo can make going forward and Nintendo's developers will have way less limitations compared to the tablet hybrid approach that Eurogamer were led to believe NX was. |
I think he has poorly chosen words, he later even call handheld "the thing", he could call base unit a home console, it's very obvious he has hard time explaining whole concept, he also in one video called it hybrid.
JustBeingReal's reply: There's literally no reason to think Boogie's words were poorly chosen, I don't know if your native language isn't english or some other other issue that effects your ability to assess the statements others make, but you often don't seem to actually grasp a person's words as they are intended.
Boogie's wording was deliberate and based on what he was told.
He's not calling the handheld the system here, if he was then he wouldn't have said the handheld can play a form of the game, he would have just said the handheld plays the game exactly as it does when you play it on the console, there would be no difference, he didn't emphasize the same level of performance in both modes.
A mobile device is more limiting technically, it has to be because space is needed to help deal with the heat issues of more power intensive processing technology.
"I've talked to two people who have used it. One is from Ubisoft and he said programming for it is actually really nice and Nintendo is working very closely with him and that the concept is great because he said, you could play... Uh, I dunno how careful I should be with it... Let's say you could play Assassin's Creed once you have your handheld plugged into your console. And then, you could then detach the thing and take it with you and play the Assassin's Creed mobile game out of your pocket. And then when you get back home, plug it directly in and now it attaches back to the... That's brilliant. That's smart, right? Taking a form of the game with you as you go. So he says it's a dream to code for. And then somebody I know who's played on the NX for 20 minutes said... It's as innovative as they'd hoped and 'we wish we had done that.'"
JustBeingReal's reply: You've literally just reinfoced my point, by copying Boogie's words and they show he's not saying what you believe him to be.
Actually read his comments straight, without thinking about the Eurogamer rumor, remove that from your mind, Boogie's saying this system has a handheld and a console, the handheld plays a form of the game, it doesn't play the exact same way on the handheld as it does when you plug the handheld into the console, the only way that works is if the console has more power, the handheld fits in a person's pocket, which means it's far more limited in it's ability to deal with heat that a processing chip puts out and that means it's not going to be able to overclock or have extra internal processing tech that can be activated when connected to a mains power supply.
Nowhere in Boogie's comments did he say that NX docks into a dummy unit that sends gameplay to your TV, he just says it connects, which could be through a dock, but also a cable or some other manner that Nintendo worked out.
CarcharodonKraz said: man, if this thing is really $450 and sub par to xb1 in power, then it had BETTER be two consoles with a unified OS. that's a pretty high price if it were to just be a handheld with a perephieral. Can you imagine buying a gameboy advanced and a gameboy player for $350 back in the day? that'd been rediculous.
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No way it will cost $450, after 3DS and Wii U Nintendo will not again go for high price espacily in middle of generation, they know it cant have higher price than XB1/PS4, also Nintendo said they aiming affordable price. Personaly I expecting $249-299 price point.
There's definitely no way NX is going to be that expensive as a single unit or even with the kind of thing that Boogie was told NX is.
The tech to make a console with performance around XB1 and PS4 or slightly better than PS4 for a console, bundled in with a handheld that can get around a 7th gen console (which is what a pocket fitting form factor device can handle) could be done for $299.
zorg1000 said:
Its a very similar situation.
Wii U was a PS3/360 level console when PS4/XBO were on the way.
NX will be a XBO/PS4 level console when Pro/Scorpio just released/on the way.
What makes you think mulitplats are going to sell significantly better on NX than they did on Wii U?
By the time NX releases PS4/XBO will have sold over 80 million with the majority of the shooter/sports/action crowd already having jumped over from PS3/360, what will make these people switch to NX?
Going forward, why will people looking for a console choose NX over PS4/XBO which have established libraries and large online communites for the big games?
Why will people looking for the best versions of games choose NX over Pro or Scorpio?
There really isnt a scenario that allows for multiplats to sell substantial numbers or being system sellers for NX.
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Fact that NX will sell much better than Wii U. :D
JustBeingReal's reply: Which isn't based on anything tangible right now, in order for that to happen Nintendo would need to target the market that buys third party games with their own exclusives, they haven't done that since the SNES days really when younger people gamed, now they ignore the people that made up the majority of their audience back in the earlier console days.
This requires a minimum level of performance technically speaking to accommodate the vision that 3rd party devs have and also allow Nintendo's own developers the freedom to expand their IP to more diverse heights.
Generally the wider gaming audience would care more about accessibility and how the device fits around their lives and that it provides them with the ability to play all of the titles they want.
There's no way casuals will care about a dedicated gaming device either, they'll just continue to play on the tech they already have. |