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What match are you excited for at WWE Payback 2017?

Neville vs. Austin Aries ... 1 6.67%
 
Randy Orton vs. Bray Wyat... 3 20.00%
 
The Hardy Boyz vs. Cesaro... 2 13.33%
 
Kevin Owens vs. Chris Jer... 3 20.00%
 
Bayley vs. Alexa Bliss (Raw Women's Title) 3 20.00%
 
Seth Rollins vs. Samoa Joe 1 6.67%
 
Roman Reigns vs. Braun Strowman 2 13.33%
 
Total:15
BasilZero said:
JWeinCom said:

Also a fan of ups and downs. As for WWE holding people back... there's definitely some truth to that (see Karion Cross), but I think it's sometimes a case of what I'll call Snyder Syndrome. Where we always assume that the thing we didn't see would be better than what we actually got. There are some guys obviously victims of shitty booking (again Karrion Cross probably Toni Storm), but a lot of times someone will leave, appear somewhere else, and then I'm like "Oh... maybe that's why WWE didn't do that."

A good example is Moxley. He complained a lot about how the WWE scripted his promos. And, true he was given some awful stuff to say... but now that he is left to his own devices, his promos are kind of meandering and wandering. So, I get why they wanted to script him, even though their scripts blew.  


Yea, the scripts arent something to write home about but I just wish the long term plans were better.

What they did with Moxley at the end was messed up lol - the pooper scooper deal especially lmao

My issue is that they seem to be dropping the ball on the overwhelming portion of the people on the roster, all to boost up Brock, Goldberg, Reigns, and Rollins. Nobody else seems to get any actual respect or ever come out on top. It makes you never want to invest in stories because you never feel there will be a good payoff. 

I can't say the same about AEW. sure, some stories go nowhere or are given up on before the conclusion, but I feel satisfied more often than not. you just don't get things like the Adam Page redemption arc in WWE. You don't get in-match storytelling like you get from the entirety of the tag division. You don't get nearly enough interwoven storylines that cross factions and divisions. Everything in WWE seems shortsighted. good for cheap pops, but not good for longevity. 

WWE is like, junk food. It looks nice, it's got a satisfying crunch from time to time, it does the job, but it has no lasting impact. AEW is like a silky red velvet cake. Takes a bit more to get into, but far more satisfying. Or not, now that I think about it, even the WRESTLING in WWE is pretty subpar. The wrestlers are good, they have a hell of a roster and I don't begrudge anyone in WWE except Brock (seriously, how do people like watching him? He's so BORING! he USED to be amazing, but now he's just bland and repetitive). it's the writing that's bad. It's the promos that are bad, and since they don't get enough time in the matches, the in-ring storytelling is basically nonexistent. I saw more story in a nearly wordless Bryan Danielson vs Adam Page 60-minute draw than I have in the last 5 years of WWE combined. 



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Runa216 said:
BasilZero said:


Yea, the scripts arent something to write home about but I just wish the long term plans were better.

What they did with Moxley at the end was messed up lol - the pooper scooper deal especially lmao

My issue is that they seem to be dropping the ball on the overwhelming portion of the people on the roster, all to boost up Brock, Goldberg, Reigns, and Rollins. Nobody else seems to get any actual respect or ever come out on top. It makes you never want to invest in stories because you never feel there will be a good payoff. 

I can't say the same about AEW. sure, some stories go nowhere or are given up on before the conclusion, but I feel satisfied more often than not. you just don't get things like the Adam Page redemption arc in WWE. You don't get in-match storytelling like you get from the entirety of the tag division. You don't get nearly enough interwoven storylines that cross factions and divisions. Everything in WWE seems shortsighted. good for cheap pops, but not good for longevity. 

WWE is like, junk food. It looks nice, it's got a satisfying crunch from time to time, it does the job, but it has no lasting impact. AEW is like a silky red velvet cake. Takes a bit more to get into, but far more satisfying. Or not, now that I think about it, even the WRESTLING in WWE is pretty subpar. The wrestlers are good, they have a hell of a roster and I don't begrudge anyone in WWE except Brock (seriously, how do people like watching him? He's so BORING! he USED to be amazing, but now he's just bland and repetitive). it's the writing that's bad. It's the promos that are bad, and since they don't get enough time in the matches, the in-ring storytelling is basically nonexistent. I saw more story in a nearly wordless Bryan Danielson vs Adam Page 60-minute draw than I have in the last 5 years of WWE combined. 

https://youtu.be/1OhdXidUjIM

I've never seen the downfall of wwe and it's quality of wrestling better explained than in this video. 



This is peak wrestling from WWF/WWE in the 90's and early 2000's that kicked boxing ass, and boxing is kicking ufc ass, first video al snow vs bossman in an actual street fight does WWE still have these?

Stupid youtube ,Its too much of bar fight click on watch youtube underneath playback both.

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Runa216 said:

My issue is that they seem to be dropping the ball on the overwhelming portion of the people on the roster, all to boost up Brock, Goldberg, Reigns, and Rollins. Nobody else seems to get any actual respect or ever come out on top. It makes you never want to invest in stories because you never feel there will be a good payoff. 

I can't say the same about AEW. sure, some stories go nowhere or are given up on before the conclusion, but I feel satisfied more often than not. you just don't get things like the Adam Page redemption arc in WWE. You don't get in-match storytelling like you get from the entirety of the tag division. You don't get nearly enough interwoven storylines that cross factions and divisions. Everything in WWE seems shortsighted. good for cheap pops, but not good for longevity. 

WWE is like, junk food. It looks nice, it's got a satisfying crunch from time to time, it does the job, but it has no lasting impact. AEW is like a silky red velvet cake. Takes a bit more to get into, but far more satisfying. Or not, now that I think about it, even the WRESTLING in WWE is pretty subpar. The wrestlers are good, they have a hell of a roster and I don't begrudge anyone in WWE except Brock (seriously, how do people like watching him? He's so BORING! he USED to be amazing, but now he's just bland and repetitive). it's the writing that's bad. It's the promos that are bad, and since they don't get enough time in the matches, the in-ring storytelling is basically nonexistent. I saw more story in a nearly wordless Bryan Danielson vs Adam Page 60-minute draw than I have in the last 5 years of WWE combined. 


Goldberg should have been pushed in the early 2000s , so dumb that they are pushing him now.


He's way past his prime.  That Goldberg/Taker match was a mess.


Reigns and Rollins getting pushed is fine imo - Lesnar has selling power especially now that he's more active than previously.


But ya they need to work on future super stars and I hope they dont just focus on one or two people.


They need better writers in WWE for sure. 


As for your comparison for WWE and AEW in the last paragraph - completely agree lol.



    

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@BasilZero Goldberg was awesome.

Timeless gems

I cant find Brother Love making a dinner fight with 2 wrestlers . This extremely funny guy . burnt red skin.

.Undertaker trying to sacrifice Stone Cold , 2:13 mark , was trying to find Undertaker actually sacrificing Ken Shamrock brother also too extreme deleted, like brother love video above but did a picture instead.

Goldberg lift 500+ pounds Bigshow in WCW vertically and holding him in 3 seconds is inhuman compared to brock lesnar or anyone.

Chyna vs Mr ass match was amazing

Dean Malenko the creep , Video is age restricted so click watch youtube.

I miss this goldberg , 20 years later I think goldberg might be less intense , happens to boxers too turning old 



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SegaHeart said:

@BasilZero Goldberg was awesome.

Timeless gems

I cant find Brother Love making a dinner fight with 2 wrestlers . This extremely funny guy . burnt red skin.

.Undertaker trying to sacrifice Stone Cold , 2:13 mark , was trying to find Undertaker actually sacrificing Ken Shamrock brother also too extreme deleted, like brother love video above but did a picture instead.

Goldberg lift 500+ pounds Bigshow in WCW vertically and holding him in 3 seconds is inhuman compared to brock lesnar or anyone.

Chyna vs Mr ass match was amazing

Dean Malenko the creep , Video is age restricted so click watch youtube.

I miss this goldberg , 20 years later I think goldberg might be less intense , happens to boxers too turning old 

Goldberg and Sting were my favorites in WCW.

Good times.



    

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