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What match are you excited for at WWE Payback 2017?

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Jumpin said:
JWeinCom said:

I would disagree with conditions being safer. Aside from being smarter about head trauma (most of the time), which is a big plus, they're really not. The problem is guys like Sydal and Pac (not sure how Jack Evans got on that list cause he fucks up on the reg) can do high flying moves well and regularly, and people who can't do it try to match them because they feel they have to. Lance Archer is one example. Red Velvet is another who for some reason kept trying to do a standing moonsault till she almost killed herself. Nia Jax almost killed people for years before being fired, although that was more just general incompetence. Sting, Balor, and Kairi Sane were injured by the buckle bomb which I have no idea why anyone is allowed to do. Jade Cargill didn't know how to do a sligshot but didn't let that stop her, and slung her opponent's head directly into a rope. Striking also has gotten way more snug leading to injuries. Xia Li knocked Mercedes Martinez out before she left NXT. Pac one upped her by knocking out Orange Cassidy then picking him up and powerbombing him. Nia Jax concussed Becky Lynch with a basic punch (but again she's incompetent). Alexa Bliss has had several concussions, Bryan lost years of his career to them, Punk was concussed in his last WWE match, Matt Hardy was somehow allowed to work a match after getting his head slammed into concrete... Paige had to retire before 30, Graves did, and so on so forth.

Go watch some 80's wrestling. It's 80% punching and rest holds. More exciting is debateable, but mostly safer. Most dangerous thing was a leg drop. 

That's still a lower volume and less severe list of injuries that you can find back in the 80s and 90s, and realistically, probably up until the period of Benoit's death.


Dynamite and Davey Boy both suffered severe injuries that ended their careers early and caused pain killer addictions that led to early deaths.
Steve Austin broke his neck, was rushed back into action without proper rehab/surgery ending his career early.
Droz never walked again after getting his neck broken in the ring.
Chris Benoit, Kanyon, Bam Bam, Crash (and many others) all suffered head injuries that likely lead to suicidal behaviour.
Andre was incredibly crippled, and might have contributed to high stress and death.
Bret Hart had his career ended by a kick.
Owen Hart had his life ended by a stunt.

I guess the point that I'd take out of it is that it's a little surprising that injury volume and severity is down. You'd think the opposite if it were less safe. Actually, with how Lance Archer has been treated it shows a big difference in how similar type injuries were treated in the past. Archer's out for months with a neck sprain; I don't know that 90s wrestling would mandated (or even allowed) the time to rehab that.

The older days had injuries from seemingly minor moves, and they'd often throw them in a match to fake a much more serious injury; usually this was for severe joint injuries, as they didn't take head injuries or spinal injuries as seriously back then. Maybe it was lower standards about who could step in the ring, likely overworking, definitely improper rehab was an issue.

I do have that 10+ year gap between when I watched wrestling, and that's what I'm seeing at least. I could just be imagining it as I haven't looked at exshaustive lists. But I'm not hearing of wrestling dying all the time or having to retire from injuries nearly as much as before. And I think there might be more active wrestlers now than before (I'm not entirely sure on that).

The examples you gave cover like 3 decades. The examples I've given you are from the past 3-4 years. And some of those are really kind of flukey too and have little to do with the overall style of wrestling. Owen Hart's was a stunt gone awry. It was stupid to do, but it wasn't really typical of wrestling of the time. British Bulldog's most damaging injury was because they had a trap door set up in the ring and he landed right on it. Andre was likely to have health problems in his later years no matter what. Droz's injury (I was actually there when it happened) was because of the attire he was wearing preventing D-Lo from getting a good grip, which, again stupid, but not typical of wrestling of the era.   

In contrast, these days, people are getting injured alot because they're doing shit that is either plainly stupid or that they don't know how to do.

In addition to the examples I gave, here are some more. These are just the more eggregious examples within just two years in one company not of things just going wrong, which is always going to happen, but of people doing things that are obscenely stupid or that they are completely unqualified to do. If there are fewer injuries overall, which I very much doubt, it is by sheer luck. All of these could have easily been career ending injuries or worse.



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Been following more AEW than WWE.

Though I still follow WWE.

Dont have any type of service that has either - so I just read the dirtsheets and watch youtube clips from official channels.



    

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There are websites out there that have full episodes, just use duckduckgo to search for them rather than google.



ironmanDX said:

There are websites out there that have full episodes, just use duckduckgo to search for them rather than google.

I know, just been too busy (or lazy ;p) to do it.

I used to go to a Desi forum that actually hosted links to streams for even PPVs...havent visited them in a long time, wonder if they are still active.



    

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Fuck yeah! This match wasn't even PPV, it was Rampage!



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WWE NXT is getting gutted - might as well rename it especially what happened in their New Years Evil event.



    

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Change it from NXT to NXE.



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Cant find a gif but lol



    

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BasilZero said:

WWE NXT is getting gutted - might as well rename it especially what happened in their New Years Evil event.

Stupid decision IMO. The market for people who watch Smackdown and Raw for five hours a week and still have the time/desire for another two hours of the same wrestling with lower production values is pretty small. The market for people who want a more indy style of wrestling program is larger, and they're kind of giving up on that market.



JWeinCom said:
BasilZero said:

WWE NXT is getting gutted - might as well rename it especially what happened in their New Years Evil event.

Stupid decision IMO. The market for people who watch Smackdown and Raw for five hours a week and still have the time/desire for another two hours of the same wrestling with lower production values is pretty small. The market for people who want a more indy style of wrestling program is larger, and they're kind of giving up on that market.

Which is kind of why WWE has been off my radar since jumping back into it. I loved NXT back in the day, would check in on the main roster from time to time - although I only ever found their women’s division and Bray Wyatt promos to be remotely interesting in that time.

WWE grasps for a model of pro-wrestling that’s been decaying for 20 years now. Their best replacement idea is to adequately train up a bunch of large sized athletes. The same sort of outdated model that worked in the 80s when they had a virtual monopoly, but failed in the 90s when TV viewers got access to better quality wrestling. Sure, some say smaller guys like Bret couldn’t draw, but he outdrew all the lumbering roid machines like Kevin Nash and Sid Vicious. Yeah, they had big guys like the Rock, Kane, and Undertaker, but they had way more going on for them than their size—even tiny guys like Crash Holly, 2 Cool, the Hardyz, Guerrero, and that unnamable Canadian guy who was friends with Guerrero, were drawing like DaVinci in the ~2000 era.

On the bright side, WWE at least let go all their best ‘wrestling show’ talent. They’ve handed AEW a top shelf selection of some of the best trainers, talent scouts, and bookers in the industry today.



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