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What match are you excited for at WWE Payback 2017?

Neville vs. Austin Aries ... 1 6.67%
 
Randy Orton vs. Bray Wyat... 3 20.00%
 
The Hardy Boyz vs. Cesaro... 2 13.33%
 
Kevin Owens vs. Chris Jer... 3 20.00%
 
Bayley vs. Alexa Bliss (Raw Women's Title) 3 20.00%
 
Seth Rollins vs. Samoa Joe 1 6.67%
 
Roman Reigns vs. Braun Strowman 2 13.33%
 
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This interview is pretty fucking awesome. I love how CM Punk is watching his figure and understands the bloating effects of pizza... I mean, I eat vegan pizza - cheese and toppings typically less in calories than other pizza, and well, it's still like 350-400 calories a slice... and I mean, it's fine and all if you're eating 1 or 2 slices as a meal, but I don't find 2 slices of pizza nearly as filling as... say a kg of roasted potatoes - which has about the same caloric cost. So, if you're a pro-wrestler aiming for something like 8% body fat, then pizza is... yeah!

The Rock basically does high protein and high carb days, eating a lot of fish and eggs on the protein side, and tons of veggies, oatmeal, rice, potatoes and sweet potatoes. The sorts of foods you'd eat to lose weight and gain muscle... it doesn't specify the veggies, but I'm guessing it's stuff to round out his micros, stuff like vitamin c and vitamin a and others... although, the one veggie it DOES specify is spinach which is where he gets his vitamin k - which is one that people don't get enough of in general. Anyway: https://manofmany.com/featured/the-rock-diet-and-workout-plan

Oatmeal's fucking awesome, but I usually add cinnamon and brown sugar to it, and if I bite into a peach and it's a bit hard, I'll slice it up and throw it in the oatmeal, softens right up, goes well with the flavour. Apples work good too.

Is anyone else hungry?



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AEW beat RAW in the key demographic ratings!

AEW Dynamite scored 1.319 million viewers, and 681,000 in the 18-49 key demographic range, which surpasses RAW's 678,000 viewers. That's pretty awesome that finally someone was able to surpass the ancien regime. Although, when it comes to aged 50+ viewers, RAW still leads. That's the next milestone for AEW, beating RAW.
I'm not American and have no idea what this "Cable TV" and "Network TV" thing means, but apparently AEW topped Cable TV for the night, and Big Brother topped Network TV ratings.

Also in the news: even though NXT is no longer on Wednesday nights, Adam Cole still is.

https://www.wrestlinginc.com/news/2021/09/aew-dynamite-scores-best-audience-and-key-demo-rating-since-premiere/



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Jumpin said:

AEW beat RAW in the key demographic ratings!

AEW Dynamite scored 1.319 million viewers, and 681,000 in the 18-49 key demographic range, which surpasses RAW's 678,000 viewers. That's pretty awesome that finally someone was able to surpass the ancien regime. Although, when it comes to aged 50+ viewers, RAW still leads. That's the next milestone for AEW, beating RAW.
I'm not American and have no idea what this "Cable TV" and "Network TV" thing means, but apparently AEW topped Cable TV for the night, and Big Brother topped Network TV ratings.

Also in the news: even though NXT is no longer on Wednesday nights, Adam Cole still is.

https://www.wrestlinginc.com/news/2021/09/aew-dynamite-scores-best-audience-and-key-demo-rating-since-premiere/

Sadly, WWE hasn't cared about ratings in years. IT's been about the brand deals and merchandising. 

I greatly prefer AEW in virtually every way (WWE's women division is still marginally better), but like...they're fighting different battles here. Paraphrasing here, but you wouldn't judge its fish by its ability to climb a tree...Different promotions have different goals. 

That said, holy shit that's awesome. AEW is the only reason I'm still watching pro wrestling and I gotta say, I'm impressed! 



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Runa216 said:
Jumpin said:

AEW beat RAW in the key demographic ratings!

AEW Dynamite scored 1.319 million viewers, and 681,000 in the 18-49 key demographic range, which surpasses RAW's 678,000 viewers. That's pretty awesome that finally someone was able to surpass the ancien regime. Although, when it comes to aged 50+ viewers, RAW still leads. That's the next milestone for AEW, beating RAW.
I'm not American and have no idea what this "Cable TV" and "Network TV" thing means, but apparently AEW topped Cable TV for the night, and Big Brother topped Network TV ratings.

Also in the news: even though NXT is no longer on Wednesday nights, Adam Cole still is.

https://www.wrestlinginc.com/news/2021/09/aew-dynamite-scores-best-audience-and-key-demo-rating-since-premiere/

Sadly, WWE hasn't cared about ratings in years. IT's been about the brand deals and merchandising. 

I greatly prefer AEW in virtually every way (WWE's women division is still marginally better), but like...they're fighting different battles here. Paraphrasing here, but you wouldn't judge its fish by its ability to climb a tree...Different promotions have different goals. 

That said, holy shit that's awesome. AEW is the only reason I'm still watching pro wrestling and I gotta say, I'm impressed! 

USA Network and NBCUniversal most certainly do. And that's reason enough for WWE to care very much about ratings too.

Now reportedly, WWE gets $265 million a year from USA Network and NBCUniversal for RAW

Meanwhile, AEW gets $43.75 million a year from TNT and WarnerMedia for Dynamite.

And the fact that the Key Demo, the 18-49 Adult demographic, the one ALL the networks pay attention to, is THIS high for them at THAT price for a show that's not even 2 years old yet is an absolute steal for WarnerMedia and TNT. They are absolutely thrilled with that number. Meanwhile, USA Network and NBCUniversal are paying a little over 6 times the amount TNT and Warner have to pay for similar results. I guarantee you they are absolutely NOT happy with that AT ALL. Especially considering how RAW's ratings have consistently being going down every year for last 7 years. And based on how shit RAW has consistently been, you can bet that drop will continue. And if AEW keeps the momentum rolling like they have, THEIR ratings will slowly but surely keep going up. So if that's the case, we're going to reach the point where Dynamite starts beating RAW in the demo more and more often (Hell, it may happen again in a few weeks at the Arthur Ashe show with now that Monday Night Football is back)... They may even overtake them entirely. And if we get to that point, overall viewership won't be too far off.

And BOTH of their TV rights deals are due to expire in 2023, and if both shows continue their trends, that's going to make those contract negotiations VERY interesting. 

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I was mostly just posting because this is probably the first time in over 20 years a non-WWE Wrestling show has beaten RAW in any capacity, ratings wise. So it's more about it being a milestone than wanting WWE to be upset about getting beaten.

Speaking of WWE, there was news that Vince McMahon missed a couple of shows. Apparently Paul "HHH" Levesque had a cardiac event a few weeks ago and had a procedure done last week.



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Here's hoping that Triple H is ok!

Definitely WAY too soon for anything cardiac related to be happening with him.

Stay strong, Game!



According to Tony Khan himself, All Out did well over 200k buys.

UPDATE: Now Meltzer is reporting somewhere between 205-220k buys.

This would be the first non-WWE PPV to do over 200k buys since WCW Mayhem in 1999. 

For reference to WWE, the last time one of their PPVs did over 200k buys was WrestleMania 31 which did 256k (not counting Network subscriptions.) And the last PRE-Network PPV that did over 200k buys was Hell in a Cell 2013 which did 212k buys.

The growth and momentum just continues to build for All Elite Wresting.

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What Mick's saying has been true for WWE for quite a while. They've done that SO frequently in the past decade. There's a star who is doing great in NXT, then they bring them to RAW or Smackdown to pad those rosters and proceed not to use them in the way that worked in NXT, even if they book them to win, it's usually in some kind of weird and anti-climactic way. And Mick is right, years ago they used to be able to work wonders with guys... and it had NOTHING to do with them being large in size as I've heard some people arguing: The Hardies, Angle, Benoit, Mysterio, Jericho, and others from that period were all fairly small. Even Foley himself wasn't that big. All of these guys were stars in their day... and in 2000, almost EVERY SINGLE ONE of their Monday Night RAW roster was a star... the only ones who didn't were the guys like Brisco/Patterson/Mean Street Posse and some of the valets like Terri Runnels.

After watching a few weeks of AEW, it seems like 90-95% of the talent featured on Dynamite look like stars, and then there are guys like Cutler - who is kind of a Patterson/Briscoe type character. WWE, I couldn't say the same thing, maybe 10-20% when I was last watching.



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Congratulations, Big E!!!!!



I think they could have done the Big E win a little differently. Have Bobby Lashley be cocky and say it doesn't matter whether he cashes it in or not. That way it would be less heelish for Big E to cash in on a weakened opponent.

Nevertheless looking forward to Big E's run. Lashley was doing great, but he's a bit similar to Reigns and having two dominant heels as champions was a bit meh. And, Raw needed a change desperately anyway. Hopefully they keep the New Day together. Can't remember the last time there was a face stable at the top of the card.