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Luke888 on 01 October 2016

Well THAT was unexpected



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mutantsushi on 01 October 2016
teigaga said:

Why are people acting like this has any relation to the credibility of Eurogamer (and everyone else's) sources?

For years there have been many gaming tablets with optional controllers. None double as a home console though, and none have Nintendo games.

Lol, you guys really want to believe that the leaks are wrong. NINTENDO's own patents which came tolight after the point, really do back up much of what was said of the NX. 

Yeah, kind of crazy, IMHO...
And like I said, if NX ends up in similar config, what will they say then, after saying the concept is horrible?
But exactly as you note, the main selling point is Nintendo's games, and of course the home console/dock feature.
But, hey, it's more fun to let the Nintendo fans thrash on the configuration that NX will likely use in the end.

onionberry said:

Because the nx is "a new concept, a new way to play" editors were wrong about the wii, they could be wrong about the nx. And this thing is not similar to the leak, its he same thing.

The same thing... except no docking port with enhanced performance (co-processor that kicks in to boost power) in TV mode.
Which was kind of the actual central concept of "hybrid handheld/console", right?  Detacheable controls or not is tangential.
I mean, nothing says you HAVE to detach them.  NX will be usable with dedicated separate controllers in TV mode as well.

twintail said:
t3mporary_126 said:

1. Aikon has this tech from (2014) patented and no one can cooy it without buying it 

no one can copy the exact tech they used. theres nothing stopping Nintendo from having something similar but that worked differently using different tech. 

What fucking "tech" do you think is "patented" here?  Nothing.  It's a no-name assembler putting together standard parts.
I doubt they have any patent at all, they would just have a design copyright which is just re: really specific aesthetic details.
Plugging two pieces of electronics together is nothing new.  

Barkley said:

I mean the NX is rumoured to be 720p for one... on a tablet released after 2012 that's a no go, then you have the battery life, camera... I don't see the NX winning over the Tablet crowd, and I don't see a tablet sized device winning over the 3ds crowd. It would be a fairly niche device.

Agreed... The 720p makes sense because to push more pixels than that is too heavy on GPU/battery life...
Although honestly, they could have used 1440p screen and just direct 2x upscale games (or even use full res on "simple" games)
But the size thing itself is important, IMHO.  Nintendo's current hand-held fan base is used to, and likes, small handhelds.
Changing it to be as big as a tablet is a disruption, and if anything may prompt some to just use a tablet/smartphone for games.
Especially considering Nintendo themself are now publishing games for smartphones.

JWeinCom said:

 Making a tablet that could hook up to a TV isn't anything special.  Tablets can do that, and the technology will imrpove.

To be clear, "hooking up to a TV" is not what is special about NX concept.
It actually has separate unit which allows it to increase power draw and increase power (CPU/GPU).
In fact, that unit is supposed to have it's own battery so you can take it on the go if you really want to,
although the assumption is that it will usually be used plugged in, and handheld-alone will be used on the go.

JWeinCom said:

Execution being important kind of goes without saying, whatever the product is.  I just can't understand how this is going to expand their audience at all.  

What is the pitch to the casual gamer who doesn't really care about Nintendo games?  Now you can not care about them at home and on the go?

I don't think Nintendo can realistically aim to expand their audience significantly beyond what they have.
They reached far with Wii and DS hit a sweet spot, but mobile phones will be heavy competition for "casuals".
They can still appeal there, but I don't think it can be AS successfull in that market.
So they want to make sure they can appeal to their "core" market, and they are unifying mobile/home to do that.
Sometime the prudent strategy is not deluding yourself that a past peak is a repeatable goal to aim for.



Soundwave on 01 October 2016

OMG guys, I just debunked SuperMetalDave64!

Apparently there's this thing coming out: 

 

Some company named "Sony" makes it and it plays video games! It even has the POLARIS AMD chip! ERMAGAWD! They've been selling these Play-Station things for *years* too apparently! So now Nintendo can't possibly make the same product because, well they .... can't. 

Nintendo Polaris AMD NX DEBUNKED!!!

It's also funny that SMD64 treats Ubi Soft's comments like gospel but won't touch the quote where the Ubisoft president said the machine would be great for family/beginner gamers, no because it would go against his "NX is going to be a hardcore PS4-killer console" theory. 



S.Peelman on 01 October 2016
mutantsushi said:

Yeah, kind of crazy, IMHO...
And like I said, if NX ends up in similar config, what will they say then, after saying the concept is horrible?
(..)

Continue saying the concept is horrible. What else?



DélioPT on 01 October 2016
Mar1217 said:
DélioPT said:
Well, this started with Eurogamer but if i'm not mistaken, this leak was corroborated by other people.
Also, nothing shown stops Nintendo from doing this too... although it's not really encouraging knowing no one wanted this.

The idea of this leak - again, confirmed by other sources - being a decoy seems really farfetch.
I'm not a fan of this concept but i can't see it not being true. And with that in mind, i really, really, hope Nintendo was smarter than this: wii remotes for the home console is not something gamers want... again.

I'll just remind you that these sources .... we don't know who they are so let me say that it would be easy for them to claim they have ''sources'' that they pulled out of their ass just for the sake of click-baiting.

They just need your faith. In fact, this goes for anybody in this saga actually x)

The other people include IGN and the Wall Street Journal. Even Emily Rogers backed it up.



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bunchanumbers on 01 October 2016
DélioPT said:
Mar1217 said:

I'll just remind you that these sources .... we don't know who they are so let me say that it would be easy for them to claim they have ''sources'' that they pulled out of their ass just for the sake of click-baiting.

They just need your faith. In fact, this goes for anybody in this saga actually x)

The other people include IGN and the Wall Street Journal. Even Emily Rogers backed it up.

Emily Rogers isn't the authority on NX. The only one who is the authority on NX is Nintendo.



Soundwave on 01 October 2016
bunchanumbers said:
DélioPT said:

The other people include IGN and the Wall Street Journal. Even Emily Rogers backed it up.

Emily Rogers isn't the authority on NX. The only one who is the authority on NX is Nintendo.

Peer Schneider at IGN has been covering Nintendo in depth longer than some people on this board have been alive (since 1996). 

Is he wrong too? He said they cross verified that report with several of their own sources at IGN. 

And Semi Accurate and LPVG and Wall Street Journal too. This is like the PS4 Neo and XBox Scorpio leaks, it's not just a Eurogamer thing. 



JWeinCom on 01 October 2016
mutantsushi said:

 



JWeinCom said:

 Making a tablet that could hook up to a TV isn't anything special.  Tablets can do that, and the technology will imrpove.

To be clear, "hooking up to a TV" is not what is special about NX concept.
It actually has separate unit which allows it to increase power draw and increase power (CPU/GPU).
In fact, that unit is supposed to have it's own battery so you can take it on the go if you really want to,
although the assumption is that it will usually be used plugged in, and handheld-alone will be used on the go.

JWeinCom said:

Execution being important kind of goes without saying, whatever the product is.  I just can't understand how this is going to expand their audience at all.  

What is the pitch to the casual gamer who doesn't really care about Nintendo games?  Now you can not care about them at home and on the go?

I don't think Nintendo can realistically aim to expand their audience significantly beyond what they have.
They reached far with Wii and DS hit a sweet spot, but mobile phones will be heavy competition for "casuals".
They can still appeal there, but I don't think it can be AS successfull in that market.
So they want to make sure they can appeal to their "core" market, and they are unifying mobile/home to do that.
Sometime the prudent strategy is not deluding yourself that a past peak is a repeatable goal to aim for.

Eurogamer didn't say anything about the SCD.  Nintendo has a patent for it, but that doesn't mean it will actually be used.  If it is, and the rumor is otherwise true, then it's definitely better, but still nothing terribly exciting.  If Nintendo is going to continue to exist as a hardware developer, they'll need to reach outside their fanbase.  Otherwise, they'll just slowly wither away.



Soundwave on 01 October 2016
JWeinCom said:
mutantsushi said:

 



To be clear, "hooking up to a TV" is not what is special about NX concept.
It actually has separate unit which allows it to increase power draw and increase power (CPU/GPU).
In fact, that unit is supposed to have it's own battery so you can take it on the go if you really want to,
although the assumption is that it will usually be used plugged in, and handheld-alone will be used on the go.

I don't think Nintendo can realistically aim to expand their audience significantly beyond what they have.
They reached far with Wii and DS hit a sweet spot, but mobile phones will be heavy competition for "casuals".
They can still appeal there, but I don't think it can be AS successfull in that market.
So they want to make sure they can appeal to their "core" market, and they are unifying mobile/home to do that.
Sometime the prudent strategy is not deluding yourself that a past peak is a repeatable goal to aim for.

Eurogamer didn't say anything about the SCD.  Nintendo has a patent for it, but that doesn't mean it will actually be used.  If it is, and the rumor is otherwise true, then it's definitely better, but still nothing terribly exciting.  If Nintendo is going to continue to exist as a hardware developer, they'll need to reach outside their fanbase.  Otherwise, they'll just slowly wither away.

If they can maintain 50-60 million users on their NX hardware (the same as the 3DS has) but have a singular software base, so that things like Splatoon are available to ALL Nintendo fans and not just 1/5 of them, they'll be fine. 

Maybe it's just time to accept a new Nintendo era is coming, one in which, mobile games like Mario Run may well be their no.1 company driver in profits, dedicated hardware will have its place, but it won't be the only thing, maybe not even the main thing pushing the company forward. 

When you're in any business for 40 years as Nintendo has been with dedicated hardware, shit changes eventually. Once upon a time, Apple was basically only a computer company, today regular computers are basically a niche part of their overall business. 



bunchanumbers on 01 October 2016
Soundwave said:
bunchanumbers said:

Emily Rogers isn't the authority on NX. The only one who is the authority on NX is Nintendo.

Peer Schneider at IGN has been covering Nintendo in depth longer than some people on this board have been alive (since 1996). 

Is he wrong too? He said they cross verified that report with several of their own sources at IGN. 

And Semi Accurate and LPVG and Wall Street Journal too. This is like the PS4 Neo and XBox Scorpio leaks, it's not just a Eurogamer thing. 

Look. I know you really want the hybrid to happen, but no one knows for sure. Even if it does happen, it will be the biggest letdown ever. Especially since the hybrid has already been done, and the detachable controllers have already been done. This means that Nintendo has been so secretive about a underpowered (vs the twins) machine with a 720p screen.

Is that what you really want?