PS4 family...X1 family... Are we in a "mafia" war ?

I don't see him suggesting anything.

I honestly do, unless MS are willing to take huge losses on each unit sold.

I rather expect it to be 449 or 499$.

Which is still "cheaper than people think" (rumors have been saying 599$)

I wouldnt be surpised if it came out at 449$ vs the 349$ (by then) of  the PS4 pro.

The extra horsepower under the hood, should be enough to make people willing to pay 100$ more, and MS will probably not want to loss alot of money on the sales of these. That stopped last gen.

Scorpio 399$?? O.o Are you ok guys, Do you know the cost of an development for new tech Right now?, and then in the next year with new tech, another dev for more tech? for 399?...

M$ Didnt expect Ps4Pro this year, for that Scorpio will be a secuel of xbox one! that's for sure maybe Xbox Two...

Just gonna put it out there and say that of course their system is going to be cheap, I mean it wont be here for another 15months at which point the lead that the PS4 will have in terms of installed users will just be gigantic, to think that you'll move off Millions from a system getting more support and titles than it's rival because of 2 more teraflops under the hood... I mean it would be just product suicide to send it out the door at a higher price.

I would fully expect to see something almost in line with free Xboxone Scorpio with a 5 year subscription to Xbox live gold or something by the time it arrives, either it will be given away or else it wont be released in the form people are imagining it right now, on the larger scale MS runs by making money, they're not just in something to win a console war, there is only so much a company would be willing to invest to try to win over gamers I think.

$399 it will be.

Not sure they should bother otherwise.

I wouldn't say that.

Replace Sega with Microsoft and DVD with Blu-Ray... I don't think anyone could have toppled Playstation that generation though, Sony had all the brand and device recognition in their hat.

I doubt it's "Creative accounting". - Microsoft will likely not wish to repeat those old mistakes.

If Microsoft does have a chunky amount of sram in the system again, it will likely not be relied upon to the same extent as prior consoles.

For 384GB/s of bandwidth they will likely be using GDDR5 clocked at 6ghz on a 512bit bus... In otherwords, it's going to be stupidly chunky.
Or if AMD is able to realise the "Doubling" that GDDR5X brings to the table over GDDR5, we could be looking at 12Ghz on a 256bit bus. (Hint: That's bigger than TitanX in terms of clock rate.)

Or you could be looking at 8Ghz if it has 12 memory chips on a 384bit memory bus. (AMD don't build configurations like this though.)

All require some pretty stupid levels of memory controller engineering and transister budget.

That's provided the Pro ends up being the run-away success many assume (Like myself) expect.

I'll personally be taking a wait-and-see approach though, but I don't expect Microsoft to beat Sony this generation in terms of device sales, that would be a fools game.

The main attraction to me is I don't see it as a device that replaces my PC, I just see it as another device where I can play similar games I enjoy on PC.

I like the idea of buying one game and playing it on the go with a Surface tablet... Or coming home firing up the old PC with Eyefinity... Then later migrating to the lounge to play with family/friends... And all being the same game.

Of course we still aren't at that point yet where the walls between devices get completely smashed down, but one day I live in hope.

It also allowed for console gamers to experience PC exclusives for the first time, like Elder Scrolls: Morrowind... Since then the franchise has been on the increase with millions of gamers everywhere getting a taste of it.

This generation was a little different though, the hardware was mid-range, not class-leading, they were a little more cost sensitive this time around.

Unfortunately Microsoft also has shareholders, they can't just throw billions at a problem and hope it goes away, shareholders tend to dislike that... And that does influence Microsoft's decisions.

The Xbox has also had a few murmours of being spun off and made seperate from microsoft as it is.

GPU's of that caliber aren't actually that expensive. Nor are PC part prices representative of console costs anyway.
Polaris is mid-range, meant for good 1080P gaming, it's cheap. The step-up from that will be Vega... Which should be cheap in a years time for a moderately equipped chip.

Of course it will be around $399. Microsoft can get a cheaper deal on the parts because they will buy them in bundles and the fact it will be cheaper in a year. People need to stop comparing with the price you see at stores. Microsoft can probably get the same part around half the price.

You realize there is already gpu that performs about twice as much as the xbox one scorpio, right? 

Hard to tell this early.

At E3, Phil seemed to stress "premium price", and all of MS has backed that up since. It also makes sense in the fact that MS may be trying to cater to the high and low end of the console market, because PS clearly has the mid-tier level all locked up.

It depends a lot on what "premium" means exactly to MS. PS said numerous times that Pro would be a premium product at a premium price point. PS clearly thinks $399 means premium. Its possible based on that, Scorpio could perhaps be $399 as well, but that would almost guarantee the cpu is jaguar again like in the Pro.

I am willing to bet MS charges minimum $499 just like the original XOne price. Even with all the backlash and hatred thrown at MS, the XOne still sold very well. Not PS4 well, but much better than the 360 did when it launched. If MS can try the same approach this time, minus the DRM and Kinect, and add much higher spec'd components as compared to the Pro (excavator or zen cpu) the Scorpio should sell much much better than XOne did.

If MS sells Scorpio any higher than $499, they will immediately lose a lot of early adopters, unless they throw in a bunch of AAA titles or free Live service for a year or two in a bundle. I don't see that happening. Odds are good that Scorpio will be $499 (even if MS has to eat $50 to $100) and Pro will remain at $399 but will come in a bundle with a game or two, just like how PS4 did a year after launch.