No, he's just saying that's what you've turned this into, though it seems more of a "Console vs PC".

Hey OP, I hope you're ready for Steam spam, and the worst thing is that their customer service sucks. I don't play games that use Steam, I avoid it as much as possible because I prefer games that work the old fashion way, and there is plenty of them. Ex. Star Citizen, Black Desert Online, FFXIV, etc etc

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=198803&page=-1#1

Just want to note, hey, I do need a keyboard and mouse. So you mean all those points I made about switch back and forth are valid?

Can't find any way to put Netflix in BPM. Not without stability-compromising usermods, anyway.

Yes, you actually are doing that. "Use Big Picture Mode", "Use Steam Link"; Again, I'll just use what was designed to do it in the first place instead of buying more crap.

And yes, it is overcomplicating when I have to set a bunch of crap up or buy extra crap just to do what my console does better.

Oh, and since you asked:

Right there.

Yeah, it actually didn't because I was just talking about using a PC on the couch. You were the one that turned it into Console vs PC.

I literally know no one that comes home to play games on Steam Link, and last I checked with my friend who manages a GameStop, they sell about as fast as ass-flavored hotcakes.

And your arguments are just so eratic now its hard to really keep them all straight now. Are you suggesting there are an equal number of people on Steam Link as console? Are you also suggesting that every gamer comes home and has an important enough job that they have work to do on their computer? Are you also suggesting that those same people with important jobs have the self-control to put their games in the same place they do that important work? I mean, I can see some doing that, yeah, but the example you gave is the most biased, one-way example you could have possibly given. Here's a much more likely scenerio for you:

Person A: Comes home and sits on the couch to play a video game on his/her console.

Person B: Has a Steam Link for the novelty of it, but goes to his/her desk where they can properly play all of their PC games.

Person C: Didn't waste money on a Steam Link, and just goes to their desk to play PC.

And yes, yes they are. The irony is who they're watching.

Why do you do this to every conversation?

You do mental gymnastics to act like you didn't start anything, despite you clearly starting it, all while constantly pushing your own vision of the perfect gaming platform on other people. I've already given you reasons why I don't like it, and instead of saying "Oh, okay, well I like it" you have to keep trying to make me like it.

You make comments like "PC really does scare you this much" and "keep digging anyways the unbiased people are watching " like you're some kind of savant at debating, but all it does is give an unnecessary obnoxious flare to your demeanor. And then you keep going, like you're championing some kind of underdog and you can do no wrong.

Zero, stop.

I simply added my two cents to a conversation about using a PC from a TV (which I am still doing and fucking hate), and you've turned it, yet again, into a console vs PC debate. I didn't even mention consoles until you compared them three fucking times, dude, and even then all I said was "Because the best of both worlds is actually both worlds, not pretending one can efficiently do both?"

I'm not here to talk about consoles. I didn't bring up consoles at all. Why the hell are you bringing them up?

I absolutely have no problems using my PC while lying on couch. As Zero said do not try to WORK on PC while lying, especially when you need to type a lot or modelling something precisely etc. I organized my living room so that now I can play and browse internet browsers lying with ease.

1. I can conveniently browse Internet using wireless mouse, read news, articles, forums etc.

2. I can instantly watch video files, any av coding, any container.

3. I can easily listening to music from any service, from preferable audio player any playlists, quickly making queues etc.

4. I can play turn-based games with wireless mouse very conveniently.

5. I can play any other game with Xbox/Steam/(or even DS4) controller in Big Picture mode.

---All of that while LYING on my couch.

It depends of the situation and organization.

So I picked a coffee table with specific height so the arm while using mouse was situated parallel to the floor and checked that the table isnt blocking the part of screen while lying and watching. I have wireless mouse. System DPI setting is 125%. Chrome is set to 150% page zoom.

6. I can type while sitting.

7. I still can play with k&m while sitting.

8. I still have a PCs in other room with kvm switch, monitor and chair. And as Zero said you can easily use Steam Link for your TV if needed (if you can't handle two pcs or dont want to).

I like how he used MMO exalples that have their own launchers, all that require their own invidiual updates (besides SC which isn't an MMO).

He must have a small libary of games if he chooses to never use Steam along with all the other clients out there. OP won't have his folder spammed like this guy though. 

Also wtf is with that fugly UI?, and who even uses AOL these days?.

Awesome chronology!!! You must be proud ;)

That's pretty much my setup in a lot of ways.

My current PCs :

Halftop (got a laptop with a broken screen for free, so I simply removed the entire screen enclosure lol). Was an HP 15" something or other model, this sits on my dresser and hooks up to my bedroom TV for a media player/etc while in bed, and as it has some midrange radeon in it, it can run modest indie games and even things like BF3 at reasonable levels of performance. I usually just watch netflix/youtube or whatever on this system though, so it's not too important. I got a Corsair 128GB SSD for this running Windows 10 Home.

Living room HTPC/Gaming. This is an i7-4770 (non-K) with 16GB DDR3-1866 and a GTX970, with a 256GB Samsung 840 Pro and 4TB HDD. With this is a logitech K830 touchpad/keyboard that is outstanding for a media interface, along with a hidden USB extension that rises to my coffee table. The height is adjustable on the table, so for FPS/etc I can adjust and get it right for a gaming session. Windows 10 Home here as well. Haven't bought a 4K TV yet, or plan to very soon.

Work PC/Gaming PC. This is an i7-4790K with 32GB DDR3-2400, GTX1070, 512GB Samsung 850 Pro, and a pair of 2TB HDDs. 27" 2560x1440 main display and a pair of 1920x1200s on the sides for multitasking work. Win10 Pro here.

All of that is connected variously by LAN or Wireless AC depending on device, and I built a drivebender PC with a bunch of random drives thrown together to give me 15TB of share space, mapped as X over the network for all of my systems as well as my smartphone. I have set my most important data on this share to be duplicated across drives, although it all appears as one drive letter.

Anyway, PC gaming from a couch is defintely not impossible or even all that challenging if you want to make it happen. I think it really depends on your mindset from the outset. If you want it to work, it's not hard to achieve, if you don't, there ya go. I prefer my 1440P setup to the couch for gaming personally though, so I mostly use my couch setup for watching movies/net browsing, or games where I use a controller (fighting/racing/platformers), and save the games that I prefer top-tier graphics/competitiveness for my desktop system. If my TV was capable of 144hz and 1440p, I might feel differently, but 1080P/60 is a pretty big downgrade.

Just completed upgrading my PC for VR (picked up the new Titan X gpu) and really, at this point there's just exceptionally few worthwhile non-nintendo games that don't eventually make their way to the PC. If it wasn't for my friends not having PC's and having only consoles (Xbox360 last time, PS4 this time), I'm not sure how interested I'd be in them anymore. I will, of course, keep buying Nintendo consoles though, as they're always a completely unique experience. ;)

That said, in this coming generation (let's be honest, Pro and Scorpio are the next gen consoles) the Scorpio actually looks like a pretty solid option from what we've heard so far. I hope to talk my friends into switching back to the Xbox with that one unless the Sony VR really impresses the hell out of me.