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Trump or Hillary?

Trump FTW! 305 51.69%
 
Hillary all the way! 285 48.31%
 
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Normchacho said:

You my friend need to learn the meaning of all of those terms you used at the top.

 

Nationalism is in most instances largely anti-individualism

Sovereignty and "national interests" are largely the basis for such "foreign entanglements" as our involvement in the Middle East, and our support of dictators in much of the developing world.

Globalism takes one step further to wipe individuality altogether but at least you can realistic have a democracy with a country compared to an entire world ... 

Interventionism is a basis for foreign entanglements, not nationalism ... 



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LadyJasmine said:
DJEVOLVE said:
Wow the misinformation is truly incredible.. Can we say factcheck.org or we don't believe in fact checking. of coarse not.

Most stats are misleading.

 

The unemployment rate is low, average incomes are raising, poverty rate is decreasing.

 

 

Yet Americans are more unhappy then ever?

 

I think this shows either the Stats are not capturing the real picture or are misleading. 

That's not really how that works. When someone says that statistics are misleading they're saying that they are easily misinterpreted. The actual numbers themselves are very often correct, it's just that people can make mistakes by not looking at them in the correct way.

Your post is actually a great example.

You assume that because happiness is lower than ever, there most be something wrong with statistics about economic growth. But if we take a closer look at that information, we can put together a better picture of what's going on.

Since it's creation in 2008 the Harris poll is the source that most news outlets will use when they are talking about the happiness of Americans and yes, 2016 showed the smallest percentage of Americans that consider themselves "very happy" at 31%. But that's not the whole story. You see, 81% of American adults consider themselves "generally happy", and while that's down from last year (82%) it's as high or higher than it was between 2009 and 2013.

Digging deeper into the available data we see that certain specific question can shed more light on our issue. For instance, the Haris poll asks the question "I frequently worry about my financial situation". This is great because it asks people to directly tie their economic sistuation with their happiness (with low numbers being good). The result? 62% percent of American adults said yes. The lowest percentage since they started taking the poll.

So, the takeaway here is that although less American adults consider themselves very happy. The percentage of the population that is generally happy hasn't changed dramatically since 2008, and the data shows that economic concerns are less of a factor than they have ever been.

 

Sorry to ramble. I just wanted to show that things aren't always as they seem at first glance.



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I don't even understand how its between these two...

Next time they should just hold a reality TV show called Americas Next President. Competence is obviously not something you need to become a president anymore.



fatslob-:O said:
Normchacho said:

You my friend need to learn the meaning of all of those terms you used at the top.

 

Nationalism is in most instances largely anti-individualism

Sovereignty and "national interests" are largely the basis for such "foreign entanglements" as our involvement in the Middle East, and our support of dictators in much of the developing world.

Globalism takes one step further to wipe individuality altogether but at least you can realistic have a democracy with a country compared to an entire world ... 

Interventionism is a basis for foreign entanglements, not nationalism ... 

If you read my post again you'll notice that I don't say nationalism has anything to do with our foreign intervention.

Globalism has nothing to do with individualism.

Democracy or any specific political system also has nothing to do with Globalism.

What point are you even trying to make here?



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pray4mojo said:

Trump isn't pandering to working people. He's pandering to (mostly) uneducated, gullible, bigioted, fearful white people who want to build walls, deport all the "brownies" and think the world is flat.

Did you know that according to polls, 40% of them actually think black people are more "lazy" and that 59% of them think Obama isn't a US citizen? I'm not making this shit up.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-race-idUSKCN0ZE2SW

What Trump getting this far tells me is that there's alot of ignorant people in this country... and, according to data, alot more racists than we would like to believe.

I cite again fivethirtyeight.com:

"Jody: Well, that was the other part. Twenty-five percent of Clinton supporters said the same."

"Nate Silver: Beyond that, I think you get into false precision, though. A couple of years ago, my colleague Allison McCann and I looked at the general social survey which asks about racial attitudes in a lot of different ways, and of the white population, you can get anywhere from five percent to 50 percent, depending on how you ask the question about anti-black racism. And there’s a question about how they split between Clinton supporters and Trump supporters, but if someone submitted that in an article at FiveThirtyEight, we’d say “needs citation.”"

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/putting-hillarys-basket-of-deplorables-in-context/

And more detailed with data:

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/how-many-of-trumps-supporters-really-are-deplorable/



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LadyJasmine said:
Mnementh said:
http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/
Nate Silver has a good track record in predicting american elections on all levels.

 

 

Do note he said Trump had a zero percent change of being the GOP candidate in the start.

 

I think Nate is usually right but this is an atypical election so I think the typical Models are off. 

He made this initial statements with his guts without a model, and he regrets it:

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/how-i-acted-like-a-pundit-and-screwed-up-on-donald-trump/

As soon as he analyzed it with a model, he was more accurate.



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WagnerPaiva said:
binary solo said:

I don't know about that. And how do you measure such a thing? I think the Hillary supporters arguing lesser of two evils to Bernie's fans are making a terrible argument. And on the opposite end I think people arguing Trump as lesser of two evils are also making a terrible argument. 

What, and a born again christian as the main force in your life, are the things you really care about? I think Trump's true attitudes (as opposed to the ones he claims to have) on subjects that are core to your values do not line up with yours. Especially on social issues, Trump is stringing along social conservatives. Do you want someone who say's he's pro-life but doesn't intend to actually do anything about it, and actually doesn;t carte about the issue, or someone who is at least open about being pro-choice? If we're talking about lesser evils I would think the person who is being most honest about their views on such an issue is the one to side with.

Oh, sure, he is a Las Vegas party boy probably. But the Left always try to anihilate everything I hold dear to my heart: family, freedom of religion, a safe infancy for the children, security for the hard working people, being in self defence and in the general rights as a individual, freedom of speech also...

You should seem the things they did here in Brazil, and specially in Venezuela.

I think going right is the best option right now, for the whole world.

Anyways, we will see what happens.

You're talkiing about the Marxist left, not the US "left". In my country Hillary would most likely be in our right of centre party not our left of centre party.  You seem to be buying into the BS rhetoric that Hillary is a socialist. She's not left at all in any objective sense. She's just leff of the Republican party, which is getting far right.

The best option is always the centre. Going far right or left are equally dangerous.



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SpokenTruth said:
This election will go down as the most disgraceful in US history.

I cannot wrap my head around the hatred, ignorance and idiocy that is Trump's campaign. Nor the blatant political duplicity that is Clinton.

Here's who I'm voting for...



WagnerPaiva said:

She lies, she coughs, she loses elections.

She also faints and falls more than Maggie Simpson, according to her husband: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWVX5f6Y6zA

Face it. It is over. Trump won.

I am as right wing as it gets, I am a heterosexual born again christian that works nonstop since I was 13. So, yes, excuse me as I smile like it is going out of fashion...

So... what do you guys think?

I think you're an idiot honestly, I'm just sitting here hoping your account is a parody because if not I hope Katy Perry joins forces with Beyonce (top witch) and casts some hex on you.

 

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I think it will be close, but I don't see his path to victory right now. He has to hold so many states while flipping other states.

Right now he could win Florida, North Carolina, and Ohio and it still would not be enough to achieve 270 electoral votes. Need to keep in mind how the president is elected, Obama beat Romney 65 million to 60 million, but electorally it was a 332 to 206 margin of victory.

I am still looking to the debates and how they might affect those critical swing states.