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sundin13 said:
bigtakilla said:

Tapping a button and controlling a character in a 3D game are pretty different, and scratches different itches.

Pokemon GO boosted Pokemon mainline sales by a pretty significant margin. A franchise entering in to the public consciousness will boost sales of other things in that franchise. Yes, they are different, but I wouldn't be surprised to see a significant increase in sales of Mainline Mario games following the release of this mobile game.

Sure, but is it new people really, or people who just decided not to get ORAS but their interest was reinvigorated. It's hard to believe all that many people will want to buy hardware to get a game, and far more likely to get people who already own the hardware and are invested in the IP to buy a new iteration that prior they may not have had interest in. How many people do I see being interested enough to buy hardware if they currently don't?  Honestly not many, though I'm sure they will be happy with everyone they do get.



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No... it's an advert for real Mario games. It's meant to get people to buy into Nintendo consoles.



bigtakilla said:
sundin13 said:

Pokemon GO boosted Pokemon mainline sales by a pretty significant margin. A franchise entering in to the public consciousness will boost sales of other things in that franchise. Yes, they are different, but I wouldn't be surprised to see a significant increase in sales of Mainline Mario games following the release of this mobile game.

Sure, but is it new people really, or people who just decided not to get ORAS but their interest was reinvigorated. It's hard to believe all that many people will want to buy hardware to get a game, and far more likely to get people who already own the hardware and are invested in the IP to buy a new iteration that prior they may not have had interest in. How many people do I see being interested enough to buy hardware if they currently don't?  Honestly not many, though I'm sure they will be happy with everyone they do get.

Is there such thing as "new players" when it comes to Mario and Pokemon? Virtually everyone 10-30 has at least played a bit of those games at some point in their life. I do think that the sales uptics did consist to some degree of people who hadn't played Pokemon since Yellow (or whatever was their childhood game) but how much is hard to tell without some hardcore analytics.

Also, I am talking about Mobile games driving software, not hardware. The hardware uptick would be much more gradual and over time and tied in with things like advertising, brand awareness etc, but still, if you don't believe that Pokemon GO sold Pokemon to new players, do you believe that advertisement ever works? At its worst, Pokemon GO was a damn good advertisement which brought Pokemon at large into the public conciousness like back in its heyday. If that doesn't bring in new interest, I think the entire business world needs to rethink the concept of advertising.



sundin13 said:
bigtakilla said:

Sure, but is it new people really, or people who just decided not to get ORAS but their interest was reinvigorated. It's hard to believe all that many people will want to buy hardware to get a game, and far more likely to get people who already own the hardware and are invested in the IP to buy a new iteration that prior they may not have had interest in. How many people do I see being interested enough to buy hardware if they currently don't?  Honestly not many, though I'm sure they will be happy with everyone they do get.

Is there such thing as "new players" when it comes to Mario and Pokemon? Virtually everyone 10-30 has at least played a bit of those games at some point in their life. I do think that the sales uptics did consist to some degree of people who hadn't played Pokemon since Yellow (or whatever was their childhood game) but how much is hard to tell without some hardcore analytics.

Also, I am talking about Mobile games driving software, not hardware. The hardware uptick would be much more gradual and over time and tied in with things like advertising, brand awareness etc, but still, if you don't believe that Pokemon GO sold Pokemon to new players, do you believe that advertisement ever works? At its worst, Pokemon GO was a damn good advertisement which brought Pokemon at large into the public conciousness like back in its heyday. If that doesn't bring in new interest, I think the entire business world needs to rethink the concept of advertising.

I agree with software boosts, but even those seem short term lived. Pokemon games aren't still flying off shelves. It would be much wiser to actually appeal to the crowd for long term goals. 



bigtakilla said:

I agree with software boosts, but even those seem short term lived. Pokemon games aren't still flying off shelves. It would be much wiser to actually appeal to the crowd for long term goals. 

According to the most recent sales charts we have here, we have a Pokemon game at #2 and at #5 and both of them are well over a year old. Thats really good and yeah, I'd consider that flying off the shelves.

Further, Pokemon GO made a ridiculous amount of money. Add in boosts to other Pokemon games and Pokemon merch and I struggle to agree when you say that anything else would have been "wiser". No matter how you slice it, Nintendo games on mobile is looking pretty damn "wise".



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sundin13 said:
bigtakilla said:

I agree with software boosts, but even those seem short term lived. Pokemon games aren't still flying off shelves. It would be much wiser to actually appeal to the crowd for long term goals. 

According to the most recent sales charts we have here, we have a Pokemon game at #2 and at #5 and both of them are well over a year old. Thats really good and yeah, I'd consider that flying off the shelves.

Further, Pokemon GO made a ridiculous amount of money. Add in boosts to other Pokemon games and Pokemon merch and I struggle to agree when you say that anything else would have been "wiser". No matter how you slice it, Nintendo games on mobile is looking pretty damn "wise".

Fair, but no real competition either and definitely on its way down from July.

And I agree completely that going mobile is very smart. NX needs to capitalize on that and have a mode with just the screen used specifically to play games  like Pokemon Go, and Mario Runner. That would be the essential game changer they need.



bigtakilla said:
sundin13 said:

According to the most recent sales charts we have here, we have a Pokemon game at #2 and at #5 and both of them are well over a year old. Thats really good and yeah, I'd consider that flying off the shelves.

Further, Pokemon GO made a ridiculous amount of money. Add in boosts to other Pokemon games and Pokemon merch and I struggle to agree when you say that anything else would have been "wiser". No matter how you slice it, Nintendo games on mobile is looking pretty damn "wise".

Fair, but no real competition either and definitely on its way down from July.

And I agree completely that going mobile is very smart. NX needs to capitalize on that and have a mode with just the screen ised specifically to play games  Pokemon Go, and Mario Runner.

Theres always competition on mobile, especially from the evergreen titles, and saying "well that mountain is shorter than Mount Everest" doesn't mean much (or to rephrase, Pokemon GO's start was literally the best of all time, so saying that its down doesn't really mean much).

I don't know what your argument is anymore here.



sundin13 said:
bigtakilla said:

Fair, but no real competition either and definitely on its way down from July.

And I agree completely that going mobile is very smart. NX needs to capitalize on that and have a mode with just the screen ised specifically to play games  Pokemon Go, and Mario Runner.

Theres always competition on mobile, especially from the evergreen titles, and saying "well that mountain is shorter than Mount Everest" doesn't mean much (or to rephrase, Pokemon GO's start was literally the best of all time, so saying that its down doesn't really mean much).

I don't know what your argument is anymore here.

I'm  talking about x/y and oras. Their sales are down, and I'm also saying Nintendo needs its own ecosystem of games like Pokemon Go and Mario Run on its console with NX, and not rely on mobile phones to have games that will hopefully bring people to NX. I'm  also not saying REPLACE how they make their games, just have a NEW ecosystem of their own.



Miyamoto already has said in interviews the past few days that the endless runner Mario game was literally a format Nintendo considers not worthy of being a console game and that that's why its on mobile.

Mario will remain the same in terms of the platforming regularly 



mountaindewslave said:

Miyamoto already has said in interviews the past few days that the endless runner Mario game was literally a format Nintendo considers not worthy of being a console game and that that's why its on mobile.

Mario will remain the same in terms of the platforming regularly 

It wasnt too long ago Nintendo said their games would not be appearing on mobile either. There's money to be made, and a lot of it.