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Soundwave said:

Well this looks like the approach Nintendo is taking, you guys are just going to have to get used it and hope Nintendo used a decently powerful mobile chip because it looks like a hybrid console is coming whether you asked for it or not and not a "Nintendo Playstation 4". 

I don't have a problem with the hardware they've gone with, assuming Eurogamer's info is correct. Wii U graphics are already good enough for me. My concerns are (A) how much will it cost, (B) will it get more than a handful of games a year I'd buy, and (C) will Nintendo stop being so safe/lazy with their software and makes more ambitious games along the lines of Xenoblade, Breath of the Wild, the Metroid Prime games, etc.



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Soundwave said:

Hopefully third parties start announcing more games because if there are more PS4/XB1 games being announced for NX, then it must be capable of ports. 

I think the point you are failing to realise is that power doesn't guarentee ports. Sales do...
You only have to take a look at the Wii U and see that it missed out on all the ports like Battlefield 3, 4, Dragon Age Inquisition, Hardline, Call of Duty etc'.
All the big publishers turned their backs on the Wii U and continued to port to similar platforms like the Xbox 360 and Playstation 3.

It's fairly easy for developers to downscale their games for lesser performing platforms, it's allot harder to financially justify it if you don't have a big enough userbase.

Soundwave said:

Well this looks like the approach Nintendo is taking, you guys are just going to have to get used it and hope Nintendo used a decently powerful mobile chip because it looks like a hybrid console is coming whether you asked for it or not and not a "Nintendo Playstation 4". 

I think you misunderstand me.
I actually like the Hybrid concept Nintendo is taking the NX in and I honestly hope they are successfull.
And I do not want them to carbon-copy Microsoft and Sony.

What I don't like is the anemic hardware which isn't going to be able to drive next-gen levels of imagry that I have come to expect out of all my gaming platforms.

Will I buy it? Probably not. Not if Nintendo cannot meet my needs/wants/desires for a yet another console generation.




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Soundwave said:

A Tegra X2 will have some "serious juice" to it. Lets see if that's the direction Nintendo goes in.

Also I mean I think it must have some "juice" under the hood if Dragon Quest XI and Sonic 2017 are running on it, both are next-gen games (presumably DQXI is the PS4 version ported). Hopefully third parties start announcing more games because if there are more PS4/XB1 games being announced for NX, then it must be capable of ports. 

yes... serious juice.... thats why Dragon Quest XI, runs on a 3DS.

 

Also the ingame graphics of Sonic 2017, looks like a Wii U game.

Basically those 2 titles being on the NX, doesnt in any way indicate the NX haveing "serious Juice" in terms of power to it.



JRPGfan said:
Soundwave said:

A Tegra X2 will have some "serious juice" to it. Lets see if that's the direction Nintendo goes in.

Also I mean I think it must have some "juice" under the hood if Dragon Quest XI and Sonic 2017 are running on it, both are next-gen games (presumably DQXI is the PS4 version ported). Hopefully third parties start announcing more games because if there are more PS4/XB1 games being announced for NX, then it must be capable of ports. 

yes... serious juice.... thats why Dragon Quest XI, runs on a 3DS.

 

Also the ingame graphics of Sonic 2017, looks like a Wii U game.

Basically those 2 titles being on the NX, doesnt in any way indicate the NX haveing "serious Juice" in terms of power to it.

The 3DS and PS4 versions of DQ XI are not the same at all (in terms of graphics).  This is under the assumption that the NX is going with the PS4 rather than 3DS version.  It's like you didn't even read him say that.  Also, did we actually see any Sonic 2017 gameplay?



MDMAlliance said:
JRPGfan said:

yes... serious juice.... thats why Dragon Quest XI, runs on a 3DS.

Also the ingame graphics of Sonic 2017, looks like a Wii U game.

Basically those 2 titles being on the NX, doesnt in any way indicate the NX haveing "serious Juice" in terms of power to it.

The 3DS and PS4 versions of DQ XI are not the same at all (in terms of graphics).  This is under the assumption that the NX is going with the PS4 rather than 3DS version.  It's like you didn't even read him say that.  Also, did we actually see any Sonic 2017 gameplay?

Yes we have seen ingame graphics from sonic 2017.

Most of the teaser trailer is CGI animations, but a tiny bit of it is ingame gameplay (atleast it looked that way when I saw it).

And how do we know its the PS4 version with equal graphics the NX will run? we dont.

My point was just you cant use that as a reason to think the NX will have serious juice in terms of gpu performance.

So far everything points to it being under half of what the XB1 is (the tegra X1 rumor).



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JRPGfan said:
MDMAlliance said:

The 3DS and PS4 versions of DQ XI are not the same at all (in terms of graphics).  This is under the assumption that the NX is going with the PS4 rather than 3DS version.  It's like you didn't even read him say that.  Also, did we actually see any Sonic 2017 gameplay?

Yes we have seen ingame graphics from sonic 2017.

Most of the teaser trailer is CGI animations, but a tiny bit of it is ingame gameplay (atleast it looked that way when I saw it).

And how do we know its the PS4 version with equal graphics the NX will run? we dont.

My point was just you cant use that as a reason to think the NX will have serious juice in terms of gpu performance.

So far everything points to it being under half of what the XB1 is (the tegra X1 rumor).

That wasn't what you did.  You responded to sound with 3DS footage when he clearly stated "presumably PS4 version ported."  He is aware that we don't know, and the teaser trailer didn't really seem to show anything that seemed it was definitely gameplay, unless I'm remembering it incorrectly.



MDMAlliance said:
JRPGfan said:

Yes we have seen ingame graphics from sonic 2017.

Most of the teaser trailer is CGI animations, but a tiny bit of it is ingame gameplay (atleast it looked that way when I saw it).

And how do we know its the PS4 version with equal graphics the NX will run? we dont.

My point was just you cant use that as a reason to think the NX will have serious juice in terms of gpu performance.

So far everything points to it being under half of what the XB1 is (the tegra X1 rumor).

That wasn't what you did.  You responded to sound with 3DS footage when he clearly stated "presumably PS4 version ported."  He is aware that we don't know, and the teaser trailer didn't really seem to show anything that seemed it was definitely gameplay, unless I'm remembering it incorrectly.

Presumably... but based on what?

His arguement relies on his assumption that it ll get a game the PS4 has, and runs on the same graphic settings and resolution.

My point was he shouldnt assume that, the same game can run on a 3DS.

Just because the NX is getting it, doesnt mean the NX is going to be some graphical powerhouse.



JRPGfan said:
MDMAlliance said:

That wasn't what you did.  You responded to sound with 3DS footage when he clearly stated "presumably PS4 version ported."  He is aware that we don't know, and the teaser trailer didn't really seem to show anything that seemed it was definitely gameplay, unless I'm remembering it incorrectly.

Presumably... but based on what?

His arguement relies on his assumption that it ll get a game the PS4 has, and runs on the same graphic settings and resolution.

My point was he shouldnt assume that, the same game can run on a 3DS.

Just because the NX is getting it, doesnt mean the NX is going to be some graphical powerhouse.

That wasn't the argument.  He was arguing that there must be some power in the NX if it's capable of running "current gen" games, assuming the DQ XI is the PS4 ported version (which there is reason to think so, though nothing concrete).  

It's also not the same game, if you were paying attention to the reveal of the game back I don't even remember how long ago.

I don't think his argument was that NX is going to be a graphical powerhouse, rather he was more saying it probably isn't going to be "last gen."



Pemalite said:
Soundwave said:

Hopefully third parties start announcing more games because if there are more PS4/XB1 games being announced for NX, then it must be capable of ports. 

I think the point you are failing to realise is that power doesn't guarentee ports. Sales do...
You only have to take a look at the Wii U and see that it missed out on all the ports like Battlefield 3, 4, Dragon Age Inquisition, Hardline, Call of Duty etc'.
All the big publishers turned their backs on the Wii U and continued to port to similar platforms like the Xbox 360 and Playstation 3.

It's fairly easy for developers to downscale their games for lesser performing platforms, it's allot harder to financially justify it if you don't have a big enough userbase.

Soundwave said:

Well this looks like the approach Nintendo is taking, you guys are just going to have to get used it and hope Nintendo used a decently powerful mobile chip because it looks like a hybrid console is coming whether you asked for it or not and not a "Nintendo Playstation 4". 

I think you misunderstand me.
I actually like the Hybrid concept Nintendo is taking the NX in and I honestly hope they are successfull.
And I do not want them to carbon-copy Microsoft and Sony.

What I don't like is the anemic hardware which isn't going to be able to drive next-gen levels of imagry that I have come to expect out of all my gaming platforms.

Will I buy it? Probably not. Not if Nintendo cannot meet my needs/wants/desires for a yet another console generation.

This thing will have good sales in Japan. 

Most likely it will be the no.1 system in Japan. 



JRPGfan said:
MDMAlliance said:

That wasn't what you did.  You responded to sound with 3DS footage when he clearly stated "presumably PS4 version ported."  He is aware that we don't know, and the teaser trailer didn't really seem to show anything that seemed it was definitely gameplay, unless I'm remembering it incorrectly.

Presumably... but based on what?

His arguement relies on his assumption that it ll get a game the PS4 has, and runs on the same graphic settings and resolution.

My point was he shouldnt assume that, the same game can run on a 3DS.

Just because the NX is getting it, doesnt mean the NX is going to be some graphical powerhouse.

NateDrake at NeoGaf who's quite respected and verified as a source has said the NX is running Pascal-based processor from Nvidia. This is significant because Pascal is the architecture that is a successor to Maxwell (which is what a Tegra X1 is). The Tegra X1 is also actively cooled in the NX dev kits according to Eurogamer, which could indicate that it's only a placeholder for a future custom (Tegra X2?) chip. 

Having Dragon Quest XI and Sonic 2017 already announced for it also does lead me to infer that PS4/XB1 are probably possible here, because those two games are PS4/XB1-only. If it can only run PS3-Wii U games, then why does it appear to have two PS4/XB1 games announced for it already?

Also, this source from MCV straight up says "between" a PS3 and PS4. Well that could easily mean 500, 600, 700 GFLOPS performance. If it was a portable PS3, I'm inclined to think the source would simply have just said "a souped up PS3". Once you get into performance above a PS3, yes XB1/PS4 ports certainly become an option.

And while people will say "you can't just scale GFLOPS and RAM bandwidth like that", it is still true that rendering any game at 1/4th or 1/3rd the resolution requires a massively lower amount of hardware resources any way you slice it. 

We don't know what memory setup Nintendo will use, even the 3DS has embedded higher speed RAM which is something most people don't know. Maybe they could be using something like an extremely small pool of eDRAM or even HBM RAM (in the range of say 32MB). 

We don't know what the spec is yet, but it's actual more speculation to say the roof of the NX is only PS3-style games. That's just an assumption right now too.