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zorg1000 on 29 July 2016
GOWTLOZ said:
zorg1000 said:

The thing is that you and many others are ignoring 3DS which literally has hundreds of games that arent on other devices.

 

zorg1000 said:

Pokemon X/Y-14.98 million

Mario Kart 7-13.56 million

Thats six 10+ million sellers, twelve 5+ million sellers, twenty-four 2+ million sellers, fourty-two 1+ million sellers with more to pass those milestones.

Ya people dont like Nintendos output.........

Its not the games its the system and their lack of support. I was talking only about the consoles. I think he is trying to say the same thing, that its their hardware that doesn't sell.

That makes it an even better decision for them to go third party, as its their hardware that inhibits sales of their games and Pokemon Go kinda shows us that. People don't like weak and unsupported hardware even if the software is good. PlayStation and Xbox have plenty of good games from both first party and third party developers and have a hige selection of games in a variety of genres. So people buy these consoles, while Wii U has too many platformers, a decent number of hack and slash games and is lacking in every other genre.

Also why are Nintendo fans against this? You'll still get Nintendo games but you won't have to buy seperate hardware to play those games as well as third party games, and these systems have more power so you can have a better experience too. Its a win win for them yet I see Nintendo fans complaining about it.

So you admit to ignoring 3DS? Since most signs point to Nintendo merging handhelds and consoles going forward, we can no longer ignore the support that Nintendo handhelds recieve when talking about 3rd party support. The fact of the matter is that Nintendo hardware features hundreds of games that cant be played anywhere else.

I have made it clear in previous threads why i do not want Nintendo to go 3rd party. The main reason is that as a platform holder, Nintendo needs to try to create a diverse library of games to make their hardware appealing, by going 3rd party they no longer need to support a platform so there is a strong chance that many of their smaller and more niche games that arent super successful will no longer be made.

Also look how spread out Sega's software was after going 3rd party. PS2 got Shinobi, Virtua Fighter IV, Shining Force Neo. Xbox got Shenmue II, Panzer Dragoon Orta, Jet Set Radio Future. Gamecube got Sonic Adventure, Super Monkey Ball, Skies of Arcadia, Phantasy Star Online III. Gameboy Advance got Sonic Advance, ChuChu Rocket.

Its not uncommon for Sony/Microsoft to publish and moneyhat 3rd party games. If they do that than its very possible that i have to buy an Xbox & a Playstation to play all the Nintendo games i enjoy which is much more expensive than it is for me to buy a Nintendo device.

And no, thats not what he was saying, his exact quote was that the market doesnt like Nintendos output, i proved him wrong by showing that Nintendo software is super successful.



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Azuren on 29 July 2016
Chazore said:
Azuren said:

So you think there should be exclusives, just only on PC since it can be stronger through customization? 

 

Yeah, so that's actually a fairly normal thing for PC Gamers to say, so my previous statement stands 

Of course it would be something bad for you to try pinning it as because you don't want to udnerstand it that way. I should know better considering you taking jabs all the time at Zero with the "anti-consumer" comment each time or anyone else who games on a PC that makes any comment similar to anything he could say. 

Because it's become a stereotypical joke. "Oh you're a PC gamer? Tell me about how your platform deserves exclusives and consoles don't."

 

PC gamers are so busy poking fun at console gamers and console wars that they don't realize that they've been developing a negative public image as well. Between "master gaming race" gamers and the newer "stop making exclusives so PC can be the best" groups, it's becoming ridiculous.

 

Full disclosure: I poke fun at Zero and he pokes fun at me. Friends can apparently do that.



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Chazore on 29 July 2016
Azuren said:
Chazore said:

Of course it would be something bad for you to try pinning it as because you don't want to udnerstand it that way. I should know better considering you taking jabs all the time at Zero with the "anti-consumer" comment each time or anyone else who games on a PC that makes any comment similar to anything he could say. 

Because it's become a stereotypical joke. "Oh you're a PC gamer? Tell me about how your platform deserves exclusives and consoles don't."

 

PC gamers are so busy poking fun at console gamers and console wars that they don't realize that they've been developing a negative public image as well. Between "master gaming race" gamers and the newer "stop making exclusives so PC can be the best" groups, it's becoming ridiculous.

 

Full disclosure: I poke fun at Zero and he pokes fun at me. Friends can apparently do that.

And yet the other group that calls themselves "god gamers" do the same, no one is any better at the end of the day if you want to point out one group, you'll have to point at them all. It becomes silly as hell when it comes from consoles gamers if youw ant to add to that too.

I find it odd how you call "poking fun" as being friendly towards Zero, the way you've talked to him before doesn't show ideal friendly behaviour and yet I've managed that on here with others I talk to fof the site without insulting them on purpose but calling it fun and giggles when asked. 



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oniyide on 30 July 2016
CaptainExplosion said:
oniyide said:

You have no way of knowing if that is what would happen. No 3rd party manufacturer would want that because that would defeat the purpose of having Ninty games on their system in the first place this idea that non Ninty systems are filled with nothing but grit is quite frankly plain ignorant. Plenty of games on PS4, One and PC that arent gritty.

Nintendo is seen as weak right now, its been like that for years.

Name at least 20 games, IF THEY ACTUALLY SOLD WELL, and I'll believe you.

LBP, R&C, Minecraft, Ori, Plants vs. Zombies, Rocket League, Child of Light...come on man, there are so many games released just on PC from various genres from indies AND 3rd parties. Its a silly comparison. You know it, we all know it.



Azuren on 05 August 2016
CaptainExplosion said:
oniyide said:

LBP, R&C, Minecraft, Ori, Plants vs. Zombies, Rocket League, Child of Light...come on man, there are so many games released just on PC from various genres from indies AND 3rd parties. Its a silly comparison. You know it, we all know it.

But they didn't sell as well as Call of Duty or GTA. That's why Nintendo can't go third party, because they'd be crushed by the competition even there.

Seems legit.



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AZWification on 06 August 2016
CaptainExplosion said:
oniyide said:

LBP, R&C, Minecraft, Ori, Plants vs. Zombies, Rocket League, Child of Light...come on man, there are so many games released just on PC from various genres from indies AND 3rd parties. Its a silly comparison. You know it, we all know it.

But they didn't sell as well as Call of Duty or GTA. That's why Nintendo can't go third party, because they'd be crushed by the competition even there.

Not many games sell as well as CoD or GTA to be honest..



                
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Qwark on 06 August 2016
CaptainExplosion said:
oniyide said:

You have no way of knowing if that is what would happen. No 3rd party manufacturer would want that because that would defeat the purpose of having Ninty games on their system in the first place this idea that non Ninty systems are filled with nothing but grit is quite frankly plain ignorant. Plenty of games on PS4, One and PC that arent gritty.

Nintendo is seen as weak right now, its been like that for years.

Name at least 20 games, IF THEY ACTUALLY SOLD WELL, and I'll believe you.

Next gen alone

 

Sony

LBP 3

Uncharted 4 

Ratchet and Clank

Driveclub 

 

MS

Forza 

Forza Horizon 

Sunset overdrive 

Halo 5

Project Spark

Ori

 

3rd party

The Witcher III

Dragon Age Inquisition 

Fallout 4 (plenty of colour)

Far Cry 4

Assassins Creed 4

Except the MS ones these are games I own myself and there are way more games that aren't gritty.

 

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MrCkurab on 06 August 2016

Am I the only one that thinks about this whole third-party thing for a while and comes to the conclusion that it would have negative consequences for Nintendo?
Like, a LOT?

Yes, they could sell games to more platforms, but thats it.

On the other hand:
A big part of their fanbase would very likely roast them for it, losing their support, they would lose all income generated by consoles, royalties, and their own games being sold on their consoles in abnominable proportions. Mario Kart 8 is on every second Wii U out there! A 50% attach rate is not only insane but also very likely to not repeat itself across every other platfrom like people seem to believe.
Their old talents would probably not condone this step and leave.
Their would get much smaller cuts for each games they sell and have to pay royalties to other platform holders.
Their investors (and investors in gaming in general) would panic like all hell has broken loose! Its NINTENDO the oldest and biggest company that ushered in the modern world of gaming pretty much stepping down! We would probably have Brexit-like conditions!

Yes many of these things are assumptions, some can be averted if done right, but the point still stands:

"Just going third-party" is neither going to solve all problems for Nintendo nor is it guaranteed to have any positive effect at all!
It could also end very, VERY BADLY!



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Kai_Mao on 06 August 2016
MrCkurab said:

Am I the only one that thinks about this whole third-party thing for a while and comes to the conclusion that it would have negative consequences for Nintendo?
Like, a LOT?

Yes, they could sell games to more platforms, but thats it.

On the other hand:
A big part of their fanbase would very likely roast them for it, losing their support, they would lose all income generated by consoles, royalties, and their own games being sold on their consoles in abnominable proportions. Mario Kart 8 is on every second Wii U out there! A 50% attach rate is not only insane but also very likely to not repeat itself across every other platfrom like people seem to believe.
Their old talents would probably not condone this step and leave.
Their would get much smaller cuts for each games they sell and have to pay royalties to other platform holders.
Their investors (and investors in gaming in general) would panic like all hell has broken loose! Its NINTENDO the oldest and biggest company that ushered in the modern world of gaming pretty much stepping down! We would probably have Brexit-like conditions!

Yes many of these things are assumptions, some can be averted if done right, but the point still stands:

"Just going third-party" is neither going to solve all problems for Nintendo nor is it guaranteed to have any positive effect at all!
It could also end very, VERY BADLY!

I am cautious about this as well. 

If fans were hoping Nintendo would revive old franchises like F-Zero, Metroid, Muramasa, Eterna Darkness, Golden Sun, Advance Wars, etc. then I'm doubt the possibilities of their revivals would increase if they go third party. Plus they might have to lose their 2nd party studios because money will be even tighter. The beauty of having their own console not only means being able to integrate software with hardware effectively, but also provide franchises that we might have not seen due to limited funds and such, such as Pikmin, Kid Icarus, Fire Emblem, Animal Crossing, Luigi's Mansion, Nintendo Land, Brain Age, Nintendogs, Star Fox, Fatal Frame, etc.

If people are saying "just because they're Nintendo doesn't mean that their hardware will succeed despite overcoming odds before" then we could also say " even if just because they're Nintendo, doesn't mean third party will be successful."



oniyide on 06 August 2016
CaptainExplosion said:
oniyide said:

LBP, R&C, Minecraft, Ori, Plants vs. Zombies, Rocket League, Child of Light...come on man, there are so many games released just on PC from various genres from indies AND 3rd parties. Its a silly comparison. You know it, we all know it.

But they didn't sell as well as Call of Duty or GTA. That's why Nintendo can't go third party, because they'd be crushed by the competition even there.

you mean they didnt sell as well as the two most popular IP from the past few years?!?!? really???? most games dont do COD and GTA numbers. Hell most Ninty games dont get close to them especially recently. 

Edit: so if a game doesnt sell as well as COD or GTA that means it sold poorly? because what you initially asked is what games sold well and a list was given.