I still plan on seeing it as been pleased with DCs animated offerings. Darker tone was expected, be curious to compare the adaptation and see how and why things were altered.
archer9234 said:
You forgot one episode it was hinted at. The last episode of Batman TAS: Batgirl Returns. She had her daydream of liking Batman. |
Yes. I forgot about that. Though, to justify that entire story arc in Batman Beyond and his entire fetish on the subject (Apparently Batgirl and Batman has been hinted at for 50 years.) on that one episode is just stupid. It's stupid and didn't need to be brought back here. Batgirl putting her costume away because she got fed up with Batman (I'm against that characterization of Batman too BTW.) would have made more sense than her seducing Batman and giving up being Batgirl cause Batman isn't responding to her feelings. It's poor characterizations and is the greatest thing Timm has done wrong. Not just in this movie I mean.
darkknightkryta said:
Yes. I forgot about that. Though, to justify that entire story arc in Batman Beyond and his entire fetish on the subject (Apparently Batgirl and Batman has been hinted at for 50 years.) on that one episode is just stupid. It's stupid and didn't need to be brought back here. Batgirl putting her costume away because she got fed up with Batman (I'm against that characterization of Batman too BTW.) would have made more sense than her seducing Batman and giving up being Batgirl cause Batman isn't responding to her feelings. It's poor characterizations and is the greatest thing Timm has done wrong. Not just in this movie I mean. |
I'd say it's somewhat realistic. Because of this one episode. It setup she loved him. Then add all the time that was missing between the original run and the newer episodes. Then the time jump between New Batman Adventures and Beyond. Her crush/love of Batman would of went really high. But Timm's Batman is so horrible at relasionships. With Kyle, Mask Of The Phantasm, and many other women.
He's super horrible to Terry, compared to Dick. She had to quit on Batman, because of his attitude. In some ways, Batman is a villian towards his friends. I think Timm is just trying to connect all of his stories, into one big thing. But because of the huge time jumps. And the years we wait on this stuff. It makes people go WTF with a lot of things.
archer9234 said:
I'd say it's somewhat realistic. Because of this one episode. It setup she loved him. Then add all the time that was missing between the original run and the newer episodes. Then the time jump between New Batman Adventures and Beyond. Her crush/love of Batman would of went really high. But Timm's Batman is so horrible at relasionships. With Kyle, Mask Of The Phantasm, and many other women. He's super horrible to Terry, compared to Dick. She had to quit on Batman, because of his attitude. He just makes people quit. In some ways, Batman is a villian towards his friends. |
That's not the reasoning for her quiting in the movie. It's FAR more stupid and out of character than that.
If you want to see the same type of story done right with clever writing and an impactful message, watch Robin's Reckoning Part 1 and 2. If you're eyes stay dry you simply aren't human.
Dunban67 said:
I see lables attached to men (and women) every day on these forums and most anywere else- 1st time i have seen someone say the human personality is too complicated to do so- You should run w this campaign- However I don t think beta males are, nor seem to want to be identified with just "men" - Is it even considerd deroagory? Is SJW better? |
Beta males aren't a thing. They don't exist. Those are personality types made up by men with hilariously fragile egos to feel better about being dickheads.
I'm sorry, but it's just so rare to see someone who seriously believes in that dichotomy.
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Fei-Hung said:
Sounds like a very good adaptation, much better than the state of the film universe.
Batman as a hero goes through a lot of shit. If you think the killing joke was bad, things get a lot worse for him. His world is dark and and often very depressing.
Also, the purpose which I think you missed of Batgirl was that she was seen as sexy, intelligent and independent woman. She was Batman's female equivalent in many ways just as he is seen as a sexy, male, intelligent and independent man. She was a hero to many and the desire of many fans.
This story arch essentially takes someone that men and women absolutely loved, someone that many men had as a pinup and care greatly about and then literally tore her apart. This showed how far the joker would go to break Batman, how far Batman will go to hold onto what he believes, how strong Batgirl is to recover from it and how she reinvents herself. It took Batgirl to the edge, but readers got a good understanding of what Batman physically and mentally had to go through. You think you felt bad watching it, imagine how the bat felt!
This story was incredible in terms of character building, exploring their depths, their strengths, their fears, and was really testing even for readers. To simplfy it to the sexualisation of Batgirl woukd be doing Batgirl a huge disservice.
There is so much more to these characters that is completely ignored just because someone thinks it's about sexualisation. |
But it isn't about sexualization, it's about objectification which happens to be sexual. They are different things.
Sexualization is what Power Girl is to Supergirl.
Objectification is seeing someone as an object, and in Paris case, is done so in a sexual manner.
archer9234 said:
I'd say it's somewhat realistic. Because of this one episode. It setup she loved him. Then add all the time that was missing between the original run and the newer episodes. Then the time jump between New Batman Adventures and Beyond. Her crush/love of Batman would of went really high. But Timm's Batman is so horrible at relasionships. With Kyle, Mask Of The Phantasm, and many other women. He's super horrible to Terry, compared to Dick. She had to quit on Batman, because of his attitude. In some ways, Batman is a villian towards his friends. I think Timm is just trying to connect all of his stories, into one big thing. But because of the huge time jumps. And the years we wait on this stuff. It makes people go WTF with a lot of things. |
No it set up that she respects him, and was told beautifully in New 52 (I fucking hate you Stewart and I hope you burn in hell). The funny thing out of all this, is that Barbara and Dick flirted in that episode (If I'm remembering correctly, could have been the first episode) and that carried on in the rebound episodes. It was literally out of left field when they put it in Batman Beyond cause it was a few minutes of story in the previous series that didn't amount to anything other than showing that she respects Batman.
That's the weird thing about that characterization of Batman I don't agree with. He wasn't super bad to Terry. He was in the first episode. But after that it was more of "You're Batman, you have a responsibility if you want to wear that costume" kind of thing. The whole suffocation thing came in the rebound episodes, and it was just out of touch with what they did in first series. It was kind of "Let's make Batman do something so bad, they'll have to leave" which makes Batman such a super asshole that you can't even sympathize with him and hope he goes to Arkham. That's not Batman. He's not full ass to his friends and colleagues. Barbara and Dick could have left him in a better manner than how it happened in the show. How they handle it in the comics is way better. Dick needed to leave because he matured and outgrew Batman. Batman respected that and let him go. They also have a very good relationship together. Their "guy" talks (Not about girls) are also nice because it just shows how their relationship is. Batman respects nobody more than Dick. Batman is just too scared to ask for help, which Dick understands.
How Timm and crew can get Batman TAS so right, and then completely screw up later on and behind the scenes is beyond me.
Normchacho said:
Beta males aren't a thing. They don't exist. Those are personality types made up by men with hilariously fragile egos to feel better about being dickheads. I'm sorry, but it's just so rare to see someone who seriously believes in that dichotomy. |
You're being very transparent there.
Lawlight said:
You're being very transparent there. |
Ehh, I try.
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