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bigtakilla said:
Mike_L said:

She's probably not an expert, no. But maybe she genuinely enjoyed the movie and maybe moviegoers that have a similar taste will enjoy the movie as well. Some of you are certain that you won't enjoy the movie and that's fine. You don't have to watch it.

Yes, you're upset because one of your favorite movie franchises is destroyed by gender swapping but I don't know if the rumored Ghostbusters movie starring Chris Pratt and Channing Tatum would be of significant higher quality. Generally, remakes of classics tend to piss of the fanbases. Nothing new about that.


Usually, I like to call out tiresome and unfounded hatred that seems to be so popular nowadays but after finding out that the hatred in this instance is based on gender politics I think I'm done defending Ghostbusters reviewers.

 

I think there are far more important places to fight for gender equality than in Western countries where men and women are equal regarding almost everything. Yes, in the perfect world female workers would have the same salery as male but as long as there are women believing that men should be the ones paying for dinner and drinks and as long as there are women who refuse to marry a man who has a smaller salery than her, then naturally there will be men demanding higher saleries than their female colleges.

Regarding sexuality (which is more relevant when speaking games), I don't care if Tsubasa Oribe's cleavage is censored or not or if Tracer is posing with her butt or not as neither will affect my enjoyment of the games. I go to my gf for sex and porn when she's abroad. I don't go to games for sexy times. But I believe (my gf shares this view) that there are some groups that are being hypocritical when they claim that only women are victims of sexual objectification as men often act as sex objects as well.

In Denmark this ad was heavily criticized for objectifying women:

 

While this one wasn't criticized for objectifying men:


 

In my opinion that's the definition of hypocrisy as the ads are just as guilty in using sexual objectification.

 

Well, see this is the reason I don't want to participate in any discussions of gender politics XD

Huh? When did I start hating the movie due to the gender swap? 

That's not directed at you. Most of the post is just my thoughts on the topic at hand.

Sorry for the confusion.



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Mike_L said:
Aeolus451 said:

Do you think that's awfully asinine to ask that? It's because they're fans of it and that's why they care. It has nothing to do with being open-minded versus being close-minded, rather its about not wanting something they're fans of to become a platform for gender politics. 

So what I'm getting is that some are outraged because they believe this movie's sole purpose is to be a platform for gender politics. If that's true I see why they don't want to see the movie, I guess. But just don't watch it then. If enough people ignore it a similar thing is less likely to happen again.

Though, I find it odd that many seem to be willing to give it a try when it releases on blu-ray and streaming services. If you're certain that it's nothing more than a platform for gender politics why would you even be interested in ever watching it? Because it actually may be more than just gender politics?

 

Some of you refuse to believe the reviewers even though they actually HAVE seen the movie and genuinely liked it.

I don't understand that but that's not a first. I'm often confused as to why some people seem to have a problem with everything.

The only ways to make sure it doesn't happen again is by not paying anything to watch it and by making a fuss over it. Personally, I don't care about the reviews in regards to this movie because I don't care about reviews in general. I don't use 'em to pick out movies or games. I watch trailers and read about it. 



Boutros said:
bigtakilla said:

Not to mention literally anyone can make an account as a critic. 

Literally anyone.

 

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Yet this shows how a publication the person is working for, and not the person itself is suited to make reviews that count toward the tomatometer. It's not HER credentials that allow her to be on the tomatometer.

BECKY SUTER

Agrees with the Tomatometer 57% of the time.

Becky Suter's reviews only count toward the Tomatometer when published at the following Tomatometer-approved publication(s): TheShiznit.co.uk


bigtakilla said:

Yet this shows how a publication the person is working for, and not the person itself is suited to make reviews that count toward the tomatometer. It's not HER credentials that allow her to be on the tomatometer.

BECKY SUTER

Agrees with the Tomatometer 57% of the time.

Becky Suter's reviews only count toward the Tomatometer when published at the following Tomatometer-approved publication(s): TheShiznit.co.uk

What?

If the publication is accepted on Rotten Tomatoes and the publication chooses Becky Suter as a worthy author then she qualifies. I don't understand what you're trying to say.



Boutros said:
bigtakilla said:

Yet this shows how a publication the person is working for, and not the person itself is suited to make reviews that count toward the tomatometer. It's not HER credentials that allow her to be on the tomatometer.

BECKY SUTER

Agrees with the Tomatometer 57% of the time.

Becky Suter's reviews only count toward the Tomatometer when published at the following Tomatometer-approved publication(s): TheShiznit.co.uk

What?

If the publication is accepted on Rotten Tomatoes and the publication chooses Becky Suter as a worthy author then she qualifies. I don't understand what you're trying to say.

Lol, if you say so. You'll notice other critics don't have this little loophole, sorry stipulation. If it's good enough for you though, good.



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bigtakilla said:

Lol, if you say so. You'll notice other critics don't have this little loophole, sorry stipulation. If it's good enough for you though, good.

lol ok.



Mike_L said:
bigtakilla said:

The thing about rotten tomatoes is that they don't really seperate the pool from actual reviewers and regular viewers. I mean I don't know what creditials Becky Sutter has from her site TheShiznit.co.uk, but I'm betting she's not quite an expert.

She's probably not an expert, no. But maybe she genuinely enjoyed the movie and maybe moviegoers that have a similar taste will enjoy the movie as well. Some of you are certain that you won't enjoy the movie and that's fine. You don't have to watch it.

Yes, you're upset because one of your favorite movie franchises is destroyed by gender swapping but I don't know if the rumored Ghostbusters movie starring Chris Pratt and Channing Tatum would be of significant higher quality. Generally, remakes of classics tend to piss of the fanbases. Nothing new about that.

 

Usually, I like to call out tiresome and unfounded hatred that seems to be so popular nowadays but after finding out that the hatred in this instance is based on gender politics I think I'm done defending Ghostbusters reviewers.

 

I think there are far more important places to fight for gender equality than in Western countries where men and women are equal regarding almost everything. Yes, in the perfect world female workers would have the same salery as male but as long as there are women believing that men should be the ones paying for dinner and drinks and as long as there are women who refuse to marry a man who has a smaller salery than her, then naturally there will be men demanding higher saleries than their female colleges.

Regarding sexuality (which is more relevant when speaking games), I don't care if Tsubasa Oribe's cleavage is censored or not or if Tracer is posing with her butt or not as neither will affect my enjoyment of the games. I go to my gf for sex and porn when she's abroad. I don't go to games for sexy times. But I believe (my gf shares this view) that there are some groups that are being hypocritical when they claim that only women are victims of sexual objectification as men often act as sex objects as well.

In Denmark this ad was heavily criticized for objectifying women:

 

While this one wasn't criticized for objectifying men:


 

In my opinion that's the definition of hypocrisy as the ads are just as guilty in using sexual objectification.

 

Well, see this is the reason I don't want to participate in any discussions of gender politics XD

lol, Denmark has some weird ads. 

I will say the one with the women is considerably more sexual, the girls are touching themselves like they're getting off and their ass is thrust up into the camera screen or squatting down like they're giving a BJ like a porn shoot. It's like a softcore porno, lol, I'm not surprised it got some complaints. 

The male version just has the typical muscular guy with his shirt off. 



Boutros said:
75% on Rotten Tomatoes is wow. I always thought it looked much better than what people were saying but I didn't expect such a great reception by critics.

Movie critics are worse than game critics. Gravity (A good movie) is vastly overrated in the high 90s. Compare the way superior Interstellar and the Martian which I think are both in low 80s. Yet they are both excellent movies and go above and beyond the quality of Gravity.               

 

Also to add, the user scores for Interstellar and the Martian are better than Gravity's. At least on metacritic anyway.



Soundwave said:
Mike_L said:

She's probably not an expert, no. But maybe she genuinely enjoyed the movie and maybe moviegoers that have a similar taste will enjoy the movie as well. Some of you are certain that you won't enjoy the movie and that's fine. You don't have to watch it.

Yes, you're upset because one of your favorite movie franchises is destroyed by gender swapping but I don't know if the rumored Ghostbusters movie starring Chris Pratt and Channing Tatum would be of significant higher quality. Generally, remakes of classics tend to piss of the fanbases. Nothing new about that.

 

Usually, I like to call out tiresome and unfounded hatred that seems to be so popular nowadays but after finding out that the hatred in this instance is based on gender politics I think I'm done defending Ghostbusters reviewers.

 

I think there are far more important places to fight for gender equality than in Western countries where men and women are equal regarding almost everything. Yes, in the perfect world female workers would have the same salery as male but as long as there are women believing that men should be the ones paying for dinner and drinks and as long as there are women who refuse to marry a man who has a smaller salery than her, then naturally there will be men demanding higher saleries than their female colleges.

Regarding sexuality (which is more relevant when speaking games), I don't care if Tsubasa Oribe's cleavage is censored or not or if Tracer is posing with her butt or not as neither will affect my enjoyment of the games. I go to my gf for sex and porn when she's abroad. I don't go to games for sexy times. But I believe (my gf shares this view) that there are some groups that are being hypocritical when they claim that only women are victims of sexual objectification as men often act as sex objects as well.

In Denmark this ad was heavily criticized for objectifying women:

 

While this one wasn't criticized for objectifying men:


 

In my opinion that's the definition of hypocrisy as the ads are just as guilty in using sexual objectification.

 

Well, see this is the reason I don't want to participate in any discussions of gender politics XD

lol, Denmark has some weird ads. 

I will say the one with the women is considerably more sexual, the girls are touching themselves like they're getting off and their ass is thrust up into the camera screen or squatting down like they're giving a BJ like a porn shoot. It's like a softcore porno, lol, I'm not surprised it got some complaints. 

The male version just has the typical muscular guy with his shirt off. 

Bolded: And trousers off showing nothing but dick shape in speedos.

The point is both ads are guilty of sexual objectification while one was heavily critiziced and the other was completely fine apparently.

Besides, you could argue that the JBS ad discriminates certain males by stating that the underwear is for real men only.



Mike_L said:
Soundwave said:

lol, Denmark has some weird ads. 

I will say the one with the women is considerably more sexual, the girls are touching themselves like they're getting off and their ass is thrust up into the camera screen or squatting down like they're giving a BJ like a porn shoot. It's like a softcore porno, lol, I'm not surprised it got some complaints. 

The male version just has the typical muscular guy with his shirt off. 

Bolded: And trousers off showing nothing but dick shape in speedos.

The point is both ads are guilty of sexual objectification while one was heavily critiziced and the other was completely fine apparently.

Besides, you could argue that the JBS ad discriminates certain males by stating that the underwear is for real men only.

Yeah still don't think it's equivalent. If the commercial with the guys had them rubbing their nipples and crotch (lol) and down on all fours with their ass up ... yeah then it would be the same. 

I don't think a commercial with a girl in a bikini walking around in slow motion would raise many eye brows, but that commercial with the women is basically a softcore porn shoot with all types of laughably stupid imagery (the girls throwing two testicles, er ... "balls" into the air, catfighting over men's underwear, sniffing and caressing men's underwear all over their bodies, etc.). 

I like a "girls in bikinis doing a car wash" beer commercial as much as the next guy, lol, but that commercial is pretty extreme.