If the games only use Peer to Peer then Nintendo will have to do nothing.  Nintendo already have MP games and since they are Peer to Peer, they do not have to worry about charging for MP play since they do not need any servers to provide MP just like the PC.  Did people just wake up today and totally forgot that the majority of online games are peer to peer.  Even then only match making is done server side and this is already done by the game studio or publisher.  The only Console maker talking about dedicated servers for MP play is MS and so only MS service really gives you value for MP play as part of their service.

Since they have 99% of the games available on PS4 also available cheaper on PC, I'm more inclined to say they see the value in the proposition. Since the beggining of PS4 MP is a paid thing, so it isn't a sequestration of something they had so you can ask "what is the alternative to who own a PS4", they had the alternative to not buying PS4 in the first place. Last gen they had a alternative to buy X360 with paid online or PS3 with free online and in the market with most online players they choose the paid one.

You see no value, no problem, others do, and it seems to piss you off that they do. For me online MP at all have no value. And you seem to be so knowledgeable of PSN and Live to be certain that it should work even with Sony servers down. Do you have a source for it and why P2P games would have support cut?

If you don't believe in free lunch then you know that everything have a cost, even free online. So you may disagree with the cost of the service and wanting it free because it was free before and other service is free in a different place it doesn't mean that it have zero cost. And if customer didn't really liked it they wouldn't buy. But you keep wanting to use yourself as a rule.

Okay PC Master race I'm just a console peasant. Setting aside your PC crown all you have are a bunch kids games and IF's

1st BOLDED: Why do people continue to throw the PC into a console discussion.  The two platforms really do not mix the same.  A console is not a PC and a large portion of console buyers I am sure do not have a gaming PC.  You have 3 consoles, PS4, X1 and WiiU.  2 of those platforms have paided Online play while the other one does not.  If you are a console game player, the PC is not an option.  Can you keep your argument to the platform in question.

2nd BOLDED: You keep talking about free lunch and all this stuff but there is absolutely nothing Sony has to provide to facilitate Peer to Peer MP.  That argument I have no clue where you are going.  There is no cost for Sony to allow MP for Peer to Peer because they are doing nothing to make it happen.  I have no problem with the cost of PS+ since I have been a PS+ member since the PS3.  I purchase PS+ because I have a PSP, PS Vita, PS3 and a PS4.  My problem is them adding MP to PS+ and not providing anything for its inclusion.  It was a money grabbing move and for some reason you are supporting it as if you are paid by Sony.  I am not in love with Sony and have no commitment to them outside of them satisfying my gaming needs.  I purchase PS+ because it’s a great value if you own all the PS hardware but that does not mean I turn a blind eye to a money move and just accept it.  I even would not have an issue with the money grabbing move if Sony made some effort to provide something to justify the move like added dedicated servers for Online play like MS.  How many money grabbing moves will Sony make that you will just accept and be ok with without them doing anything more for your money.  I liked it best when Sony was fighting for market share, then you at least received great value service like PS+.  Now it’s MS putting out all the stops while Sony is resting on their lead and people like you are happy with whatever they do as long as they make a profit.

So let me ask you, what exactly do you get from PSN for Online MP.  Where exactly is the value that you are talking about that Sony is providing for a Peer to Peer MP gaming.  Since you say people see value in Sony adding MP to PS+, what are the features they are providing that justify putting it behind a pay wall. 

What does this have to do with the PC.  I only used the PC as a way of explaining the network protocol used for MP play.  Peer to Peer does all the work on the host system.  Meaning that your console if you are the host does all the work maintain the MP state and multiple clients can connect.  In this setup, there is no dedicated server used and thus no other infrastructure required for MP play.  Since there is no additional hardware to facilitate MP state, there is no cost to the Console OEM to provide MP.  If you are going to talk about something you should at least understand the technology used so you can make an informed opinion.

Seems like you have all the information on how MP works on PSN... cares to show us that info? How playing is routed and dealt? How it's totally independent of sony servers and why it shouldn't be off when PSN is down?

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2nd BOLDED: You keep talking about free lunch and all this stuff but there is absolutely nothing Sony has to provide to facilitate Peer to Peer MP.  That argument I have no clue where you are going.  There is no cost for Sony to allow MP for Peer to Peer because they are doing nothing to make it happen.  I have no problem with the cost of PS+ since I have been a PS+ member since the PS3.  I purchase PS+ because I have a PSP, PS Vita, PS3 and a PS4.  My problem is them adding MP to PS+ and not providing anything for its inclusion.  It was a money grabbing move and for some reason you are supporting it as if you are paid by Sony.  I am not in love with Sony and have no commitment to them outside of them satisfying my gaming needs.  I purchase PS+ because it’s a great value if you own all the PS hardware but that does not mean I turn a blind eye to a money move and just accept it.  I even would not have an issue with the money grabbing move if Sony made some effort to provide something to justify the move like added dedicated servers for Online play like MS.  How many money grabbing moves will Sony make that you will just accept and be ok with without them doing anything more for your money.  I liked it best when Sony was fighting for market share, then you at least received great value service like PS+.  Now it’s MS putting out all the stops while Sony is resting on their lead and people like you are happy with whatever they do as long as they make a profit.

So let me ask you, what exactly do you get from PSN for Online MP.  Where exactly is the value that you are talking about that Sony is providing for a Peer to Peer MP gaming.  Since you say people see value in Sony adding MP to PS+, what are the features they are providing that justify putting it behind a pay wall. 

First and foremost do you understand what Peer to Peer means.  Do you understand how the protocol works and why nothing needs to be funneled through Sony.  If Sony servers goes down and MP is not available for MP games, then that is a choice Sony made to do this so they have control of your MP experience and can shut you down if they so choose.  Sony is not providing you anything for MP play instead all they are doing is authenticating you over PSN.

Please go inform yourself on how MP works.

In most of the cases on PC, it's not a peer-to-peer system like you claimed, but a client-server system (one player hosts the game, and a host migration is implemented when the hosting machine leaves). Dedicated server is a client-server system too where the host is not one of the players.

It's the same on PS and XB. For example, Uncharted 4 MP is hosted by a player, but there are articles that talk about P2P MP like you because there is no dedicated server, whereas this is a typical client-server MP (http://gamingbolt.com/uncharted-4-multiplayer-relies-on-peer-to-peer-no-dedicated-servers).

Please go inform yourself on how MP works.

In most of the cases on PC, it's not a peer-to-peer system like you claimed, but a client-server system (one player hosts the game, and a host migration is implemented when the hosting machine leaves). Dedicated server is a client-server system too where the host is not one of the players.

It's the same on PS and XB. For example, Uncharted 4 MP is hosted by a player, but there are articles that talk about P2P MP like you because there is no dedicated server, whereas this is a typical client-server MP (http://gamingbolt.com/uncharted-4-multiplayer-relies-on-peer-to-peer-no-dedicated-servers).