Playstation: 21 Million PS+ Subscribers

[DonFerrari]

Machiavellian said:

DonFerrari said:

Since they have 99% of the games available on PS4 also available cheaper on PC, I'm more inclined to say they see the value in the proposition. Since the beggining of PS4 MP is a paid thing, so it isn't a sequestration of something they had so you can ask "what is the alternative to who own a PS4", they had the alternative to not buying PS4 in the first place. Last gen they had a alternative to buy X360 with paid online or PS3 with free online and in the market with most online players they choose the paid one.

You see no value, no problem, others do, and it seems to piss you off that they do. For me online MP at all have no value. And you seem to be so knowledgeable of PSN and Live to be certain that it should work even with Sony servers down. Do you have a source for it and why P2P games would have support cut?

If you don't believe in free lunch then you know that everything have a cost, even free online. So you may disagree with the cost of the service and wanting it free because it was free before and other service is free in a different place it doesn't mean that it have zero cost. And if customer didn't really liked it they wouldn't buy. But you keep wanting to use yourself as a rule.

1st BOLDED: Why do people continue to throw the PC into a console discussion.  The two platforms really do not mix the same.  A console is not a PC and a large portion of console buyers I am sure do not have a gaming PC.  You have 3 consoles, PS4, X1 and WiiU.  2 of those platforms have paided Online play while the other one does not.  If you are a console game player, the PC is not an option.  Can you keep your argument to the platform in question.

2nd BOLDED: You keep talking about free lunch and all this stuff but there is absolutely nothing Sony has to provide to facilitate Peer to Peer MP.  That argument I have no clue where you are going.  There is no cost for Sony to allow MP for Peer to Peer because they are doing nothing to make it happen.  I have no problem with the cost of PS+ since I have been a PS+ member since the PS3.  I purchase PS+ because I have a PSP, PS Vita, PS3 and a PS4.  My problem is them adding MP to PS+ and not providing anything for its inclusion.  It was a money grabbing move and for some reason you are supporting it as if you are paid by Sony.  I am not in love with Sony and have no commitment to them outside of them satisfying my gaming needs.  I purchase PS+ because it’s a great value if you own all the PS hardware but that does not mean I turn a blind eye to a money move and just accept it.  I even would not have an issue with the money grabbing move if Sony made some effort to provide something to justify the move like added dedicated servers for Online play like MS.  How many money grabbing moves will Sony make that you will just accept and be ok with without them doing anything more for your money.  I liked it best when Sony was fighting for market share, then you at least received great value service like PS+.  Now it’s MS putting out all the stops while Sony is resting on their lead and people like you are happy with whatever they do as long as they make a profit.

 

So let me ask you, what exactly do you get from PSN for Online MP.  Where exactly is the value that you are talking about that Sony is providing for a Peer to Peer MP gaming.  Since you say people see value in Sony adding MP to PS+, what are the features they are providing that justify putting it behind a pay wall. 

1) So you take out PC of the question. Ok you can still go to Nintendo for free online, no one is going, so I would say that customer value other things A WHOLE LOT MORE than free online. So have it served your point?

2) Thanks for assuming I'm in the paycheck of Sony, any other thing you want to throw at me? They improved the PSN if you aren't aware... and I'll repeat through and through that I don't even play MP online so for me it's a pointless paywall. And I'm not even saying I find it acceptable or like it. What I'm saying and you are playing deaf is that the market seem to not care about it and accept, so you are barking at the wrong tree and evaluating others preferences and values using your insatisfaction as the insatisfaction of others... have you interviewed or got any statistic of the 40+M users that indicate they didn't like the move? Or if the 21+M that pay for it feels obligated to pay and robbed?

I get nothing from the online MP because I don't play online, didn't when it was free and even though I have PS+ I still don't play it. You would have to ask the ones paying, why they are paying and what improvements they saw during the years... I know some users here have already stated the improvements they saw with PS+, mainly stability.