Journalism is dead. MS never said anything about 4k at 60fps.

You really think so? Ever since the PS2 Sony have done nothing but try to brag about their own hardware. Remember the Motion Engine? They made majority of their fan base believe the PS2 was more powerful than the Gamecube. Remember Cell for the PS3? Made it out like its a super computer and guess what the fans did, they listened. PS4 they bragged about 1080p, have you notice what the most talked about subject when it comes to game visuals are this gen? Yup 1080p. Sony might not have had the most powerful consoles in the past, but Sony themselves claimed they were. They just failed at creating the most powerful console. Neo was another step into that same direction but it seems MS might have them beat this time around so guess what Sony are doing now.. Downplaying it. Yes they care about power and now there already making excuses.

Maybe its not me thats the bias one here.

Definitely wise on Sony's part. Microsoft have shown their hand, Sony have a range of options now.

Nothing but? *giggle

A youuuu aaaare out!

To make your impudence more blatant.

Prove it. Shouldn't be that hard.

A console performance war could make them almost as expensive as gaming PCs, that would be a funny bloodbath.

for me it all comes down to price. Either one can make the "most powerful console ever" but if its priced too high then it will fail, because simply having a console this powerful for 4k just doesn't seem to be enough to justify an outrageous price tag.

I'm thinking in a price atleast the same as the Xbox with Kinect launch price or even higher, same for Sony, the same price of the PS4 launch or even higher.

And it's neither. The later models perform nicely, but none beyond 5TFlops. I think this will be a custom one rather than a Vega one (and hell, they are the same thing, just higher up!) 

The Xbox is going to truggle with 4K, but I think it will manage it in a lot of games, with the specs and especially horrible CPU the PS4 Neo has I am pretty sure they will have a tough sell on a native 4K box.

They are right, games games games, but they are really bad with how they announced Neo, when they did it and overall they should have a clear focus, if its a native 4k box it needs to be faster, if its a box to support VR it needs to have a better processor at least.

Right now it seems like its a in the middle of the road box, nobody wants that, their regular ps4 is and has always been incredible, tough. But right now I do believe that in 4k gaming and VR next year Microsoft should jump ahead.

The Scorpio sounds really cool, but if it really can game natively in 4K it will cost at least $1499.00
It takes two $1000.00 graphics cards to do 4K gaming on PC. That's just the cards!
A mass produced box might get the price down, but it is still going to be expensive.
The PS4K Neo will destroy the Scorpio because the performance will be really good and the cheaper price will win.