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Mr Puggsly on 10 June 2016
Chazore said:
Mr Puggsly said:

That's the thing some of you just don't get. Windows Store can be viable for content not on Steam.

If Origin content was on Steam, I'm sure that would sell significantly better on Steam.

Viable in what way?.

Well of course and just look at how well Origin is doing just selling only EA games on a client that has only a few tiny features going for it if just the one.

YOu can be viable by doing what Steam does, just selling only MS games isn't going to put you on the same elvel fo Steam, the comparisons in the future just won't line up until we see all the features and qualities Steam has reached that the competition should have emulated years ago.

If yout hink about it Valve's own exclusives games are sold on Steam OS, Linux, all the windows versions to date, Mac OS and of course consoles, MS exclusives are only sold one a single console system and one OS. The whole sell two two groups is never ever going to stack up against the multiple ones and isn't likely to make you look that much better either, you either play the same game and rules or don't play at all.

If exclusive software is selling well and many people are using the marketplace, then its worth supporting (its viable).

Windows Store doesn't need to sell games at the same level of Steam to be viable, something many of you don't understand. Also, the Windows Store makes money on others things like apps, music, movies, and TV shows.

MS making its games exclusive to WIndows is an incentive to sticking with WIndows. That allows people to enjoy MS 1st party and Valve games on Windows. Therefore, less reaons to move to Linux or Mac. Valve has encouraged more developers to support Linux but its not working out.



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Lrdfancypants on 10 June 2016

It's not surprising for anyone who has ever opened the store front.
It's a shame and wasted opportunity. It's worse that it was expected.
I think everyone is surprised at how the Xbox one launched and has sold whether they admit it or not. Before the start of this generation I think a lot of people, devs, publishers and game journalists thought this was the generation MS was going to really take off with.



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Lrdfancypants on 10 June 2016
Turkish said:
Also I call BS on this: "There are supposed to be 2x as many Xboxes out there as there are right now"

MS expected 40m consoles out by now like the PS4? Yeah sure, even Shu said Sony was surprised by their sales.

I don't think it's BS at all. The 2x might be exaggerating but I definitely think many are surprised by how this generation has played out so far including Sony. 

Before the reveals I think devs, publishers, game journalists etc... Probably thought this was the generation MS would take off with, especially in the US. No possible way they thought the next playstation would be leading in the US at least after it got trounced there.   

I think MS considered the US on lock and expected to make headway elsewhere and not be fighting a losing battle on their home turf.  



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Chazore on 10 June 2016
Mr Puggsly said:

If exclusive software is selling well and many people are using the marketplace, then its worth supporting (its viable).

Windows Store doesn't need to sell games at the same level of Steam to be viable, something many of you don't understand. Also, the Windows Store makes money on others things like apps, music, movies, and TV shows.

MS making its games exclusive to WIndows is an incentive to sticking with WIndows. That allows people to enjoy MS 1st party and Valve games on Windows. Therefore, less reaons to move to Linux or Mac. Valve has encouraged more developers to support Linux but its not working out.

Honestly you could look at those QB WIn 10 store numbers and call them amazing any time of day but that doesn't really tell us how well it's doing. It's easy for me to sell something at my shop that only I sell, I sold 20 of them and I could go on all day saying how amazing it was that I sold 20 of something from my own store without any sort of direct comparison to soemthing else that is similar being sold by another store.

By same level I'm going to assume you mean price point and not volume of games because honestly both have gone a long way for Valve and the competition has hardly gone with either of those tactics. Origin and Uplay are entirely viable but that doesn't mean they are amazing or anything head and shoulders above Steam, Steam is at the top for valid reasons, reasons that it's competion have yet to fully understand  themselves, something some of you folk don't seem to want to understand.

Also Valve aren't making money just off of games either so we can throw out the one trick pony idea, still MS has more hands and more money which could easily lend focus to where it should count but I digress.

MS doing what it;s doing isn't really working out as much as they hoped it would, see I don't like sticking to just one of everything, that's what megacorps like MS would dream of every waking day, to be loyal and forever attached to a single brand with no desire to go anywhere else, what you desribe is the sole dream of any big company on the sixe of MS, Apple etc. MS has encouraged people to move over to just being on 10, 10 store and DX 12 and that doesn't seem to be working out either, before you say diffeerent, just know that there are 7 billion of us on this rock before throwing around numbers, plenty of users still sporting 7-8-8.1 Linux and Mac OS out there that aren't under the one OS, one store design.



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Mike_L on 10 June 2016
Lrdfancypants said:
Turkish said:
Also I call BS on this: "There are supposed to be 2x as many Xboxes out there as there are right now"

MS expected 40m consoles out by now like the PS4? Yeah sure, even Shu said Sony was surprised by their sales.

I don't think it's BS at all. The 2x might be exaggerating but I definitely think many are surprised by how this generation has played out so far including Sony. 

Before the reveals I think devs, publishers, game journalists etc... Probably thought this was the generation MS would take off with, especially in the US. No possible way they thought the next playstation would be leading in the US at least after it got trounced there.   

I think MS considered the US on lock and expected to make headway elsewhere and not be fighting a losing battle on their home turf.  

I don't think it's bs either.

 

Apparently, it was not as much an expected 40 mill sold at this stage. It was an expected ability to sell as many (or even more) units than Sony.

And that didn't quite work out.



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Lrdfancypants on 10 June 2016
Mike_L said:
Lrdfancypants said:

I don't think it's BS at all. The 2x might be exaggerating but I definitely think many are surprised by how this generation has played out so far including Sony. 

Before the reveals I think devs, publishers, game journalists etc... Probably thought this was the generation MS would take off with, especially in the US. No possible way they thought the next playstation would be leading in the US at least after it got trounced there.   

I think MS considered the US on lock and expected to make headway elsewhere and not be fighting a losing battle on their home turf.  

I don't think it's bs either.

 

Apparently, it was not as much an expected 40 mill sold at this stage. It was an expected ability to sell as many (or even more) units than Sony.

And that didn't quite work out.

I agree. Ms thought the Xbox one would be under many tvs in the US as not just a gaming machine but media center. 

No one thought PlayStation would be beating them at home.  Heck the ps4 is even doing the media thing better with vue and Spotify etc....



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Zkuq on 10 June 2016
Mr Puggsly said:
Sixteenvolt420 said:

I never knew they had their own OS. I have Chrome, just didn't know there was an OS. Is it worth getting, if you don't use your PC at all for gaming?

In a nutshell, Chrome OS is shit compared to Windows and its app support sucks. But its fine for basic stuff like web browsing, streaming, etc.

Apparently it's also quite secure.



Ganoncrotch on 10 June 2016
aLkaLiNE said:
Mr Puggsly said:

Zune had a solid run, was replaced by smart phones.

Internet explorer being replaced is more marketing. Its still in Windows 10.

Messenger was replaced by Skype (MS product).

Phones are still around and have been for a long time.

Bing is doing better then it gets credit for.

No major company has a perfect record. How is Steam OS doing?

Well, I don't think that Zune was phased out because of smart phones to be honest. The point I was illustrating is that these are products they have or still continue attempting to support but are general failures (relative to the size, scope, and financial advantage Microsoft has).

im aware that I.E. Is replaced by edge. It was rebranded for a reason though, the fact that people were using chrome and Firefox over a pre installed browser is insane. 

Skype is a ms product now, but was not conceived by ms. They bought it after it was popular.

Phones have been around a long time. Never been a top selling brand, even with Nokia.

Cant speak too much about Bing, but it doesn't appear to have had any affect on Google.

 

You're right, no company is perfect

Weirdly enough EDGE didn't replace IE though, Windows10 still has a fully functional (as functional as it ever was) version of Internet Explorer laying around too, it just doesn't show up by default but it's there installed taking up space for you, just ask cortana if you don't believe me :D

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Ganoncrotch on 10 June 2016
Chazore said:
Mummelmann said:

And not a soul was surprised, this is 100% deserved, the PC community is seething after MS promised they'd be "focusing on PC again" a couple of years back. If this is them focusing on PC; I'd rather they didn't and leave it to those who have a clue how to do things right and without forcing things on consumers.

I rememebr reading this thread on Gaf a few years back. It details the list and documented promises MS has made to PC gamers over the years and as you can see, hardly any of them have worked out if at all: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=88868188&postcount=177

THis just shwos that MS doesn't really see PC gaming as something to allow roaming freely, they would rather control it and keep it in a box (hence the whole GFWL and the fact that they never once said they would completely do away with the system and Win 10/store is the result).

When I first heard of 10 I was positive that maybe for once things would finally start to turn out right, but then the free update turned out to be finnicky and attaching itself to your mobo when the free update expires which meant your previous 7-8 key would be rendered worthless and the current OS being chained to a single mobo which meant less options to upgrade your rig let alone a new one without having to call up the hotline in India and rabble on for a new key or paying £100 for a new one, those to me are the same old shit options that haven't really changed and it shows that MS hasn't either.

The only way minds like that truly work is when they are near the brink of death and show the will to survive, right now I don't think they give a rats ass about the state they are in because they certainly haven't spun around the wheel since their promise back in 2013 to PC gaming let alone the myriad of promises from well over a decade ago.

GFWL originally cost $50 a year? *AVGN voice* What were they thinking...



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Aeolus451 on 10 June 2016

Figured it wouldn't work out. MS is too anti-consumer with a lot of their "ideas". MS tried to change gaming consoles with the xbox one before the gen started. It tried it again with the windows store for PC gamers. Gamers can smell the greed a mile away.

MS should have mirrored steam's service exactly and tried to improve it in small ways. Build a stronger brand by delivering good games that work and offer really good deals. Also, support mods. Over time, the windows store would have absorbed some of steam's fans into it's ranks.