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Einsam_Delphin said:
Soundwave said:

Wii vs Wii U is interesting I guess.

Hardware

Wii U > Wii (Wii U was a good sized upgrade even if it was still competitively outdated), Wii was a repackaged GameCube basically.

Software

Splatoon > anything new on the Wii
Mario Kart 8 > Mario Kart Wii
Bayonetta 2 = Metroid Prime 3 (the token Nintendo "hardcore" title).
NSMBU > NSMB Wii
Nintendo Land > Wii Sports/Fit (Sports/Fit might be more casual, but NL is the better overall game).
Xenoblade X < Xenoblade Chronicles
Mario 3D World < SMG 1&2
AC Amiibo Fesitval < AC City Folk
Smash U > Smash Wii
DKC: Tropical Freeze > DKC Returns
Mario Maker > any remaining major Wii title

Misc. Nintendo IP ...

Captain Toad + Yoshi's Wooly World + Star Fox 0 + Devil's Third + Pikmin 3 + Wonderful 101, LEGO City
vs
Kirby's Epic Yarn, The Last Story, Excite Truck, Punch-Out!, Endless Ocean 1/2, Sin & Punishment

That's pretty close, I'd say Wii has a small edge here, but Pikmin 3 is probably the best game of that bunch.

 

I think whether one is satisfied is less about having the best game in franchise (and which are better is mostly opinion in some cases), but more about having a lot of different games and a constant stream of them, and Wii undeniably wins there. I mean Wii had Zelda, Metroid, and Mario all in it's first year with plenty of games inbetween. Wii U still doesn't have Zelda and will never have Metroid, that right there says it all. No real Fire Emblem, Kirby, Paper Mario, Animal Crossing, Mario Strikers, and so ons either while we're at it.

agreed

AnthonyW86 said:
Soundwave said:

Wii vs Wii U is interesting I guess.

Hardware

Wii U > Wii (Wii U was a good sized upgrade even if it was still competitively outdated), Wii was a repackaged GameCube basically.

Software

Splatoon > anything new on the Wii
Mario Kart 8 > Mario Kart Wii
Bayonetta 2 = Metroid Prime 3 (the token Nintendo "hardcore" title).
NSMBU > NSMB Wii
Nintendo Land > Wii Sports/Fit (Sports/Fit might be more casual, but NL is the better overall game).
Xenoblade X < Xenoblade Chronicles
Mario 3D World < SMG 1&2
AC Amiibo Fesitval < AC City Folk
Smash U > Smash Wii
DKC: Tropical Freeze > DKC Returns
Mario Maker > any remaining major Wii title

Misc. Nintendo IP ...

Captain Toad + Yoshi's Wooly World + Star Fox 0 + Devil's Third + Pikmin 3 + Wonderful 101, LEGO City
vs
Kirby's Epic Yarn, The Last Story, Excite Truck, Punch-Out!, Endless Ocean 1/2, Sin & Punishment

That's pretty close, I'd say Wii has a small edge here, but Pikmin 3 is probably the best game of that bunch.

Nintendo Land doesn't even come close to Wii Sports. I played Nintendo Land a total of two sessions with friends, Wii Sports i played for years. Also you forgot Zelda Skyward Sword. And comparing two great Galaxy games to one Mario 3D World game doesn't add up.

The fact is Wii's motion controls were a succes and Wii-U's tablet controller isn't.

agreed

Nintendo's been lazy with Wii U. 

Wii was a real legend, full of diverse games, many RPG's, etc.



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When PS4 will hit 100m consoles sold: Before Christmas 2019

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Soundwave said:
curl-6 said:

Your Wii list is missing Pandora's Tower and Kirby's Return to Dreamland. (Which destroys Rainbow Curse)

Also, Wii had more noteworthy third party exclusives, like Tatsunoko vs Capcom, Little King's Story, de Blob, Sonic Colours, (Which destroys Lost World and Boom) No More Heroes 2, Red Steel 2, etc.

Also, as Einsam rightly points out, Wii had a proper Zelda, Metroid, and an ambitious 3D Mario all in its first 12 months.

Library wise, Wii > Wii U by a signficant margin.

The Wii U quality wise ironically probably as many decent third party games even with just a few months of support, Zombi U, Rayman, Call of Duty: BLOPS 2, Batman Arkham, Need for Speed, Tekken, had a decent start, shame it couldn't sustain itself. 

Of course the Wii should have a better overall library, it had 6 years of support vs. 3 1/2 for the Wii U, but the Wii U isn't even that far off.

The main boom for the Wii was overwhelming market success but by and large what that mostly brought Nintendo fans was crappy third party shovelware and "me-too" fitness/dance soccer mom crap-athons.

Wii's Zelda was ripped off from a GameCube game with controls slapped onto it, remove that and Wii's first year is alright but probably a fair sized step down from the GameCube's first year.

To be honest I think I enjoyed my Wii U more than the Wii. While the two Mario Galaxy games are outstanding achievements, beyond that I found Splatoon, Mario Maker, Mario 3D World as my other favorite games as they're on Wii U. Wii U also has the better Mario Kart and Smash Brothers which is not too shabby. And once you get used to Nintendo games in HD, you never want to go back, gimme HD over waggle any day, it never really added much to things like Mario Galaxy or DKC anyway.

Generally speaking though I won't miss the Wii brand (Wii or Wii U) much at all, did not like this era too much, the Wii U fizzling out completely is just the low point. Much prefer the N64/GCN or NES/SNES eras.

I'd still contest that overall Wii had better third party support than Wii U. In its 4th year Wii got Call of Duty, Goldeneye, Sonic Colours, Sonic Racing, Monster Hunter Tri, Sin & Punishment, Tatsunoko vs Capcom, Red Steel 2, Epic Mickey, No More Heroes 2. In Wii U's 4th year it's getting... well, pretty much nothing. Hell, Wii had better third party support in its 5th year than Wii U had in its 2nd.

And while Twilight Princess was cross-gen, it was still released first as a Wii game and provided fans with an awesome new Zelda on launch day. Meanwhile, Wii U will be lucky to get a proper Zelda at all, and even if it does, it'll be arriving after the system's dead and buried.

I have no problem going back to the Wii now, in fact I've played my Wii more than my Wii U this gen. I'm the total opposite, I'll take the Wiimote over HD by a country mile.



curl-6 said:
Soundwave said:

The Wii U quality wise ironically probably as many decent third party games even with just a few months of support, Zombi U, Rayman, Call of Duty: BLOPS 2, Batman Arkham, Need for Speed, Tekken, had a decent start, shame it couldn't sustain itself. 

Of course the Wii should have a better overall library, it had 6 years of support vs. 3 1/2 for the Wii U, but the Wii U isn't even that far off.

The main boom for the Wii was overwhelming market success but by and large what that mostly brought Nintendo fans was crappy third party shovelware and "me-too" fitness/dance soccer mom crap-athons.

Wii's Zelda was ripped off from a GameCube game with controls slapped onto it, remove that and Wii's first year is alright but probably a fair sized step down from the GameCube's first year.

To be honest I think I enjoyed my Wii U more than the Wii. While the two Mario Galaxy games are outstanding achievements, beyond that I found Splatoon, Mario Maker, Mario 3D World as my other favorite games as they're on Wii U. Wii U also has the better Mario Kart and Smash Brothers which is not too shabby. And once you get used to Nintendo games in HD, you never want to go back, gimme HD over waggle any day, it never really added much to things like Mario Galaxy or DKC anyway.

Generally speaking though I won't miss the Wii brand (Wii or Wii U) much at all, did not like this era too much, the Wii U fizzling out completely is just the low point. Much prefer the N64/GCN or NES/SNES eras.

I'd still contest that overall Wii had better third party support than Wii U. In its 4th year Wii got Call of Duty, Goldeneye, Sonic Colours, Sonic Racing, Monster Hunter Tri, Sin & Punishment, Tatsunoko vs Capcom, Red Steel 2, Epic Mickey, No More Heroes 2. In Wii U's 4th year it's getting... well, pretty much nothing. Hell, Wii had better third party support in its 5th year than Wii U had in its 2nd.

And while Twilight Princess was cross-gen, it was still released first as a Wii game and provided fans with an awesome new Zelda on launch day. Meanwhile, Wii U will be lucky to get a proper Zelda at all, and even if it does, it'll be arriving after the system's dead and buried.

I have no problem going back to the Wii now, in fact I've played my Wii more than my Wii U this gen. I'm the total opposite, I'll take the Wiimote over HD by a country mile.

Wow, I've just realised that I've been playing more Wii than Wii U this generation too.

 



God bless You.

My Total Sales prediction for PS4 by the end of 2021: 110m+

When PS4 will hit 100m consoles sold: Before Christmas 2019

There were three ravens sat on a tree / They were as blacke as they might be / The one of them said to his mate, Where shall we our breakfast take?


curl-6 said:

I'd still contest that overall Wii had better third party support than Wii U. In its 4th year Wii got Call of Duty, Goldeneye, Sonic Colours, Sonic Racing, Monster Hunter Tri, Sin & Punishment, Tatsunoko vs Capcom, Red Steel 2, Epic Mickey, No More Heroes 2. In Wii U's 4th year it's getting... well, pretty much nothing. Hell, Wii had better third party support in its 5th year than Wii U had in its 2nd.

And while Twilight Princess was cross-gen, it was still released first as a Wii game and provided fans with an awesome new Zelda on launch day. Meanwhile, Wii U will be lucky to get a proper Zelda at all, and even if it does, it'll be arriving after the system's dead and buried.

I have no problem going back to the Wii now, in fact I've played my Wii more than my Wii U this gen. I'm the total opposite, I'll take the Wiimote over HD by a country mile.

I'd actually agree. One could argue HD has created many problems for the industry, affecting development budgets, advertising strategies, and consumer expectations.

I'd be fine if the industry stuck with SD and experimented with new inputs and modalities - especially if the alternative is HD and less experimentation.



Also, I was thinking...

Has there ever been a worse time to be a Microsoft fan? A Sony fan? One could make a convincing argument that all three companies are in decline - excluding bottom lines.



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Veknoid_Outcast said:
Also, I was thinking...

Has there ever been a worse time to be a Microsoft fan? A Sony fan? One could make a convincing argument that all three companies are in decline - excluding bottom lines.

Nothing compared to Wii U. Maybe the market isn't that good for Microsoft and Sony these days, but Nintendo on the other hand is struggling...



God bless You.

My Total Sales prediction for PS4 by the end of 2021: 110m+

When PS4 will hit 100m consoles sold: Before Christmas 2019

There were three ravens sat on a tree / They were as blacke as they might be / The one of them said to his mate, Where shall we our breakfast take?


0D0 said:
Veknoid_Outcast said:
Also, I was thinking...

Has there ever been a worse time to be a Microsoft fan? A Sony fan? One could make a convincing argument that all three companies are in decline - excluding bottom lines.

Nothing compared to Wii U. Maybe the market isn't that good for Microsoft and Sony these days, but Nintendo on the other hand is struggling...

Oh I agree - when it comes to total position. But what if we ignore the contest of WiiU/3DS vs. Xbox vs. PS4/PSV in 2016 and focus on Xbox 2016 vs. Xbox any year between 2001 and 2015 or PS4/PS handheld any year between 1995 and 2015. That would be interesting.



Veknoid_Outcast said:
Also, I was thinking...

Has there ever been a worse time to be a Microsoft fan? A Sony fan? One could make a convincing argument that all three companies are in decline - excluding bottom lines.

Microsoft: The original XBox days were bleak.

Sony: The early PS3 days were very much Not Good.



noname2200 said:
Veknoid_Outcast said:
Also, I was thinking...

Has there ever been a worse time to be a Microsoft fan? A Sony fan? One could make a convincing argument that all three companies are in decline - excluding bottom lines.

Microsoft: The original XBox days were bleak.

Sony: The early PS3 days were very much Not Good.

That's true. The first 18 months for PS3 weren't great. Same goes for the first 18 months of OG Xbox.

It would be fun to make a list of the top three and bottom three years for all the major console manufacturers.



Veknoid_Outcast said:

It would be fun to make a list of the top three and bottom three years for all the major console manufacturers.

Make it a thread, I'll join in. :P