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setsunatenshi on 28 April 2016

looking forward to jumping on top of brown mushrooms with a pudgy mustache wearing little plummer in 4k... how riveting it will be :)



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potato_hamster on 28 April 2016
Soundwave said:
potato_hamster said:
And there are still people that think Nintendo can pull off developer tools that will allow developers to make one game and just compile it to run optimally on both a home console and a portable one.

Dev tools are not really the problem so much, as far I can tell Nintendo's made reasonably easy to program for hardware since the N64. Yes maybe not perfect to your exact liking but easy enough.

The problem with Nintendo is they simply don't make games very quickly period. You could give them any development tool on the planet and it wouldn't make a difference really. Unifying library as such is likely not even a choice, they simply would not be able to make enough PS4-style games to support a console going forward, a unified library is the only way to get sufficent software per year.

LOL! Nintendo makes easy to program for hardware?! Compared to who? Sony and MS are MILES ahead of them in terms of developer tools and developer hardware. Nintendo would have to make a gargantuan leap with the NX to even catch up to Sony and MS, much less exceed them. It's actually harder to do basic debugging on a Wii U dev kit than it is to tune variables on the fly on an X1 kit. There's nothing easy about developing on a Nintendo platform in my experience, and their support is even worse than their tools.



Mummelmann on 28 April 2016
setsunatenshi said:
looking forward to jumping on top of brown mushrooms with a pudgy mustache wearing little plummer in 4k... how riveting it will be :)

I don't think you should expect the NX to pull off 4k, way too soon and far wide of the budget of the vast, vast majority of console gamers. Graphics cards that can pull off decent 4k today are 1000$++ stand-alone, and even then the frame rates are less than impressive. Even with simplified effects and no anti-aliasing, no console in the near future will pull off proper 4k gaming, not even close.



potato_hamster on 28 April 2016
setsunatenshi said:
looking forward to jumping on top of brown mushrooms with a pudgy mustache wearing little plummer in 4k... how riveting it will be :)

You really need to lower your expectations. 4K gameplay output is not happening on the NX in anything other than a limited capacity, if that.



b00moscone on 28 April 2016
Arminillo said:
b00moscone said:
Nah, the 3DS and PS3 both released in March, so I doubt that's a big problem. Plus, March is the end/beginning of the financial year in Japan, so another reason it's there is probably for convenience in that aspect.

two systems known for their terrible launch sales i like your thinking

There were reasons besides the time it launched that led to their launch sales.

And my other point remains true.



 

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se7en7thre3 on 28 April 2016
OdinHades said:
It's just kotaku pulling stuff out of their asses again.

I think the hardware is the main problem. Probably Nintendo is going with 14 nm by AMD and they just can't deliver enough chips until the holidays as they also have to make chips for all those shiny new PS4Ks. Chances are Sony paid more and gets the chips earlier. But, well, that's just me pulling stuff out of my ass. Anyway, I think we'll never know for sure what exactly happened. No point in speculating about it.

This is why my final prediction was a NA/Eur launch in Nov, with Japan's in spring for home consoles, and the inverse dates for HHs. All they had to do was get enough chips for the region that is more desperate for home consoles (west).

Being pushed back to a global launch, it could mean NX is launching with only one product  instead of two, and I'm not sure its the home console, it could very well be the portable device.



Nem on 28 April 2016
Hiku said:
Nem said:

Do they? Have a bunch of titles ready for launch? Because i still have doubts. Only Zelda and rumors of Wii U ports so far.

It was very easy to tell. Its 2 year cycles minimum to develop an HD title. You just had to count 2 years from each teams last released title and add extra for developing tools for the new system. Rocket science? No. Just common sense. Remember to count DLC development aswell.

Your 2016 line-up would consist of rushed buggy titles. That is why it got delayed and that s what i always said. And i still think that march is still very optimistic of them. We will see what they have. As far as i remember they have 2 teams that can deliver a launch title besides Zelda. 3D mario team and retro. 

It's not easy to tell because if 3-4 months makes all the difference (which it likely doesn't), then what's to say they didn't start making NX games 3-4 months earlier than you or I expected?
I'm with you on not expecting their launch to be stellar though, but that's because I think there's been a rather low standard for launch titles for a while now across several consoles. I think they will reach that, which is just a couple of titles + WiiU ports. What did PS4 have? Killzone, Assassins Creed and Fifa/Madden/NBA?

As for available teams, 4/7 had their last game published in 2014 or earlier. Albeit the Mario Kart team were working on DLC for a while after that, etc. But keep in mind that all of Nintendo's teams have at some point released more than one game in the same year. This has occured on more than one occasion for most of their teams. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nintendo_Entertainment_Analysis_%26_Development

So, the trick is to only look at HD projects. Launching non HD titles doesn't require as many resources. 

After that, in 2014 Nintendo probably wasnt assuming they would drop the Wii U in 2 years... assuming they will. Finally, dev kits and tools don't get developed in a few months and can only have been finished late last year at best.

In all likelyhood, the teams were at some point told to work in an envyronment that would later have to be ported to NX, wich means more development time. 

As i say... even march 2017 is optimistic. I still expect rushed or unsatisfactory launch titles. I never thought 2016 was in any way realistic for an HD device.

And also lets drop the 3-4 month thing. NX won't launch until late march and if it was launching in 2016 it would have to be a November launch at the latest, october beeing preferable. So, its more like 5 months difference. That is sizeable.



97alexk on 28 April 2016
Ljink96 said:
Mr.GameCrazy said:

I disagree. I would rather see them launch the system prepared than rushing it like they did with the Wii U.

That much is true, but when you continually have hardware issues and software incompetence...that spells out SEGA to me. Once nobody starts to care about your hardware anymore, which is the case with Wii U more than the 3DS, but once this happens you start bleeding money or profits and revenue are slashed which is exactly what's going on with Nintendo at the moment. I don't want them to go 3rd party but the fact that they might have software issues is startling. They don't buy enough companies to help them make games, the ones that they do buy up, they don't allow them to spread their wings...it's just a trying time for Nintendo. I hope this isn't the case.

Dont worry, its not



MikeRox on 28 April 2016
b00moscone said:
Nah, the 3DS and PS3 both released in March, so I doubt that's a big problem. Plus, March is the end/beginning of the financial year in Japan, so another reason it's there is probably for convenience in that aspect.

 

Ps3 launched in November. It was delayed to match in Europe due to hardware shortages.

 

3DS and Vita also had q4 launches in Japan I think? With Western launches delayed into the following year. March launches suggest delays without wanting to push the release back a full year.

 

Xbox and GCN also got pushed back to spring launches in Europe.



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GuyDuke on 28 April 2016
JRPGfan said:
guiduc said:

That is not at all what is said. You're fabricating facts. It's maybe not just about the launch games, but to ensure a steady flow of games throughout the years following the launch.

Yes it is.

Theyre talking about the delay of the NX.

and the reason given is "Nintendo wanted to make sure there were games to go along with the NX.".

Im assumeing hes talking about the launch of the NX, when asking about its delay.

Delaying a launch 3-4 months doesnt make sure you can have games comeing in a steady flow for years and years to come.

Its obvious hes talking about the launch titles for the NX.

 

Think of the wording.

If you ask about a hardware delay, and the reason your giveing is "we want to be sure theres games to go along with it".

How do you not think, ohhh... its launch title games their talking about? To me its what it is, its not "steady flow of games for years to come".

I'm fairly sure the main reason why we are seeing such a drought with Wii U and why NX has been set to launch in early 2017 is because everything has been moved to NX, which is easy to understand. And my guess is that they are planning a long-term strategy to ensure the games release in a more steady way. I'm not there yet thinking it is going to go wrong once again (and for the 3rd generation in a row). I think everyone here is tired about droughts, and everyone wants them to find creative ways to shorten development cycles and elaborate innovative games in a short span of time (just like Splat).