The problem with this topic has never been the choice of self termination but more so the can of worms it opens, as harsh as it may sound it's probably best things stay how they are to avoid that can of worms. The are mad people out there who would knock vulnerable people off and use this as a means to get off scott free, I particularly fear for people who are mentally slow in this instance.

It's never straight forward with these things and it's probably best to leave things as they are to preserve life.

I disagree, I think if you legalize it, there's a great potential for these people who are, for whatever reason, hurting inside.  Now, if they're terminally ill, personally, I'm more than happy to put a bullet in anyone denying them a release.  If it's someone who is just severely depressed etc... maybe if it's legalized (ergo you would need to go through the Mental Health process before gaining access to whatever suicide drug), there's more chance to help the ones that can be helped.

Otherwise, the status quo is that you're saving nobody because they will find a way to do it themselves.  To do nothing (to me anyway), basically admits we don't care that people are hurting AND denies people self-determination.

But that's the whole point you can't tell people they can decide if they want to die then turn around and put them through a test in order to proceed especially as it can be argued that the are already ways to help such people, you either give them the right or you don't. This whole topic is argued from the point of view of someone terminally ill which is fair enough but once you take into account that the are people battling metal issues and that the are people happy enough to take advantage of that it becomes grim fast.

It may upset a few people but I agrre on the stance on just preserve life to avoid all that, this is why Governments and the law don't want any of this to fly as euthunasia clinics can effectively turn into suicide clinics or on a more sinister note a means for someone to knock someone else off.

Nah, no test, simply talking to these people.  Understanding or trying to understand what's causing their pain.  I'd always thought suicide was a super self-centered thing to do, but I heard it explained to me in a way that really made me think.  Some of these folks are so tormented by their own thoughts, that they'd rather end it all than continue to exist.  That's...shocking to think about, to me.  It really is.

I agree that you're not going to save them all, and I agree that there's nothing that says they even need to go and seek such services, however, those who do, may be indirectly calling for help.

This, efforts should be put in creating methods to rule out defects of consent since it's something you can't go back on, but the main point should always be this principle 

That comes down to how this would be handled, for example if people are paying clinics the's a huge risk that this becomes a business and the vulnerable are knocked off for profit with minimal checks. I'd much rather these people live and this law be swept aside tbh, it's a bit of a hard situation for me to accept as I know various people who have relatives who are vulnerable as well as having parents who suffered depression.

Like I said I feel for the terminally ill but the can of worms this could open s a bit too much imo, all we can hope for is maybe one day medical precedures will reach a point where a semblance of a normal life can be given to these people so such an option will never be thought of.

Well, suicide is already the 10th leading cause of death in the US, and the rates have steadily climbed over the past 10 years.  Men are 3.5x more likely to die of suicide than women, so there's very clearly an issue with the Mental Health of males in the US (can't for the life of me imagine why that is).  I cannot speak for the rest of the world, but 42,773 suicides/year is unacceptable to me, and it's something the US really needs to deal with.

Yes, this would take work, but, I think it's worth the effort, myself.  As far as the terminally ill are concerned, already stated how I feel on that one.  And I know what I'd do to any doctor or nurse standing in the way of a family member choosing their own path.

I'm for it.

Kill the poor fuckers if that's what they want.

Should only be allowed if the person is dying and has absolutely no hope (like terminal cancer). Otherwise, no.

Yes. Especially Austrians, since they joined germany in ww2...

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