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Forums - Nintendo - Emily Rogers rumor: Zelda U to have a playable female, fully voice acted, releasing NX and Wii U

Nautilus on 08 April 2016
Soundwave said:
Nautilus said:

really?For me it was heavily implied.Then again, I dont remember much of that game and can be my imagination.... Ill be playing the HD versino ina few months, so Ill remember.

Now to the other questions, not wanting to be mean, but I already wrote extensively about it in the other posts, so if you want to know the reason, just read through them.And yes, tradition is important, as a caracther legacy is also important.Imagine if for Uncharted 4 they made Drake into a woman(and gave a really good reason plot-wise for that to happen), how would fans feel?It just feels out of place, even though Nintendo could really do it.

Nathan Drake is a pretty gritty male character though. It's central to the character's persona. 

Link has always been very effiminate and andrognous, akin to Peter Pan where is a mute avatar basically for the player with no distinct personality. 

I mean half the Link cosplayers are women and no one bats an eyelash. 

This is a woman dressed up as Link. Looks like ... Link. 

Women make the best Link cosplayers because the character is so effeminate to begin with. 

And that justifies Link being a girl how....?

Just because a character looks more girly than others justify it changing gender?No offense, but the argument is veryyy bad.I mean, Nathan Drake is a fit guy, but he has a fat version.So should every fit and musculous guy change into a fat one?You know where Im getting at.



My (locked) thread about how difficulty should be a decision for the developers, not the gamers.

https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=241866&page=1

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t3mporary_126 on 08 April 2016

I think Link is a character but the hero spirit is you the player who has entered another legend or tale to help that Link/whoever to find the courage to defeat the evil in that game. Because any player can be the spirit, then the spirit is actually genderless and the only characteristic of that spirit is the courage to go through the game and defeat the evil villain. This is how the next hero can actually be guy/girl/etc.

Skyward Sword seems to make it complicated since Link and Zelda have a real relationship but again, that Link is his own character and the spirit of the hero is you the player helping him fight the evil villain in that game. You are the spirit of the hero who awakens in each game to help the next hero fullfill his destiny.

In other words, just watch Avatar the Last Airbender and see how there could be male and female avatar because the character's gender doesnt matter but possessing the spirit of the avatar does.



Soundwave on 08 April 2016
Nautilus said:
Soundwave said:

Nathan Drake is a pretty gritty male character though. It's central to the character's persona. 

Link has always been very effiminate and andrognous, akin to Peter Pan where is a mute avatar basically for the player with no distinct personality. 

I mean half the Link cosplayers are women and no one bats an eyelash. 

This is a woman dressed up as Link. Looks like ... Link. 

Women make the best Link cosplayers because the character is so effeminate to begin with. 

And that justifies Link being a girl how....?

Just because a character looks more girly than others justify it changing gender?No offense, but the argument is veryyy bad.I mean, Nathan Drake is a fit guy, but he has a fat version.So should every fit and musculous guy change into a fat one?You know where Im getting at.

It justifies the OPTION of having a female Link since masculinity is not really integral to the character as he/she basically has zero gender specific personality to begin other than being vaguely "determined" (whereas Drake being a man is central to the character's personality). And yes the character looks so much like a woman to begin with that you may as well have the option if people want it. 

Hey like I said if a guy just needs his Link to have a dick and balls, great, you have that option too, I don't see it impacting any one's play experience. 

For Link I think it works fine. For other characters not so much perhaps. 



Nautilus on 08 April 2016
Soundwave said:
Nautilus said:

Link has different incarnations, but he has the same soul.The same goes for Zelda.And no, thats not the same thing.

Reasonable is the keyword here.thats your opinion, and I respect that.But Im 200% sure that I gave a reason that is more than reasonableLike I said, plot-wise it is more than possible that Link may be reborn as a girl, even though there is the reason that Spemanig said that he may well not be reborn that way, but other than simply making a zelda skin, there is no good reason.Now, if you agree with that or not, thats really your problem.Especially since you also gave no reason why this should exist other than "why not?".

And what do you mean by Uncharted having a "fully fleshed-out and defined character"?.As far as I know, Link is also fully fleshed-out.He is a steriotype hero, but he is.

Link has no personality and doesn't speak. 

Drake does, Drake have romantic relationships with women are also part of the character on top of the five o'clock shadow. 

Link is andrognous too, it's like he's exactly Mater Chief. Look at this, this probably the most like Link ... it takes a woman to create that look though:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0MgYvK90J_A

Just because a character dont have voice dosent mean he has no personality.I mean, I can understand when people say that they see him as an avatar, but no personality is pushing too far.He is not the most expressive character by far, but he does have a personality that has been build over the years, specially after OOT.



My (locked) thread about how difficulty should be a decision for the developers, not the gamers.

https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=241866&page=1

Soundwave on 08 April 2016
Nautilus said:
Soundwave said:

Link has no personality and doesn't speak. 

Drake does, Drake have romantic relationships with women are also part of the character on top of the five o'clock shadow. 

Link is andrognous too, it's like he's exactly Mater Chief. Look at this, this probably the most like Link ... it takes a woman to create that look though:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0MgYvK90J_A

Just because a character dont have voice dosent mean he has no personality.I mean, I can understand when people say that they see him as an avatar, but no personality is pushing too far.He is not the most expressive character by far, but he does have a personality that has been build over the years, specially after OOT.

Link is about as blank slate and dull of a personality as you're going to get. 

There's nothing even particularily macho or male-centric to his persona, he never really seems all that sexually interested in Zelda or any female for one. 

He's more Peter Pan than Nathan Drake, a character where the gender really isn't all that important. 

I'll play as male Link probably but it doesn't really bother me if some 11-year-old or 35-year-old girl would like a female Link or if some guy wants to play as female Link. 

I don't see it altering much of anything. 



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Nautilus on 08 April 2016
Soundwave said:
Nautilus said:

And that justifies Link being a girl how....?

Just because a character looks more girly than others justify it changing gender?No offense, but the argument is veryyy bad.I mean, Nathan Drake is a fit guy, but he has a fat version.So should every fit and musculous guy change into a fat one?You know where Im getting at.

It justifies the OPTION of having a female Link since masculinity is not really integral to the character as he/she basically has zero gender specific personality to begin other than being vaguely "determined" (whereas Drake being a man is central to the character's personality). And yes the character looks so much like a woman to begin with that you may as well have the option if people want it. 

Hey like I said if a guy just needs his Link to have a dick and balls, great, you have that option too, I don't see it impacting any one's play experience. 

For Link I think it works fine. For other characters not so much perhaps. 

Sure, cosplaying is easier been done by woman, but Im sorry, the in-game character does not look like a girl(just the one from Zelda U footage, that looks girlish, I gotta admit).But I find ridiculous that a videogame character needs very clear man traits to be considered a man.I mean, really?Just because cosplaying is done more easily with woman, that justifies Link being female?The soul argument is good and makes sense, now this one is just.... ridiculous.So if a man manages to pull off a Lara croft cosplay, or a woman manages to pull off a Kratos cosplay, that would justify the switch?Cmon.At least give me a good argument.



My (locked) thread about how difficulty should be a decision for the developers, not the gamers.

https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=241866&page=1

Soundwave on 08 April 2016
Nautilus said:
Soundwave said:

It justifies the OPTION of having a female Link since masculinity is not really integral to the character as he/she basically has zero gender specific personality to begin other than being vaguely "determined" (whereas Drake being a man is central to the character's personality). And yes the character looks so much like a woman to begin with that you may as well have the option if people want it. 

Hey like I said if a guy just needs his Link to have a dick and balls, great, you have that option too, I don't see it impacting any one's play experience. 

For Link I think it works fine. For other characters not so much perhaps. 

Sure, cosplaying is easier been done by woman, but Im sorry, the in-game character does not look like a girl(just the one from Zelda U footage, that looks girlish, I gotta admit).But I find ridiculous that a videogame character needs very clear man traits to be considered a man.I mean, really?Just because cosplaying is done more easily with woman, that justifies Link being female?The soul argument is good and makes sense, now this one is just.... ridiculous.So if a man manages to pull off a Lara croft cosplay, or a woman manages to pull off a Kratos cosplay, that would justify the switch?Cmon.At least give me a good argument.

Do you get angry when Peter Pan is played by a woman? 

Peter Pan is the archetype that Link most closely indentifies with. 



Wyrdness on 08 April 2016
Soundwave said:

Link has no personality and doesn't speak. 

Drake does, Drake have romantic relationships with women are also part of the character on top of the five o'clock shadow. 

Link is andrognous too, it's like he's exactly Mater Chief. Look at this, this probably the most like Link ... it takes a woman to create that look though:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0MgYvK90J_A

That's false tbh as Link has personality shown in some of his incarnations like WW and SS, even TP has this, his actions and expressions show his personal traits, not speaking doesn't mean he lacks an identity. What the 3d games allow is that the player is left up to their own interpretation of the character, as for being andrognous look up Gackt, men can do that look just as well as any woman.



Soundwave on 08 April 2016

The most "personality" Link has ever had was the 80s Saturday morning cartoons. What's presented in the games is basically a avatar.

"Being surprised" isn't a personality.



Miyamotoo on 08 April 2016
Soundwave said:
Hope the NX version runs at a minimum 1080P + 60 FPS. If you don't like the gender option ... uh just don't use it? No one's putting a gun to your head.

Minimum!? That is maximum that can run, you can't expect 4k and 120FPS, lol.