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Frogger on 08 April 2016
Volterra_90 said:

It's more the way I feel it that the way it is. I'm not sure if that makes sense. When I play Zelda games I feel like I'm Link, so Link is an avatar to me. But that's not because of an objective reason, it's just my personal POV. Zelda games are very inmersive when I play it, but that might be my conscious decision, make me feel like we're the same person. A process of abstraction.

This sounds like a mindfuck and stupid, but I can't stop my way of thinking xDDD. 

No it's definitely not stupid. The perspective is understandble. Especially since Nintendo has been constantly drilling it into peoples heads that he was an avatar.



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Volterra_90 on 08 April 2016
spemanig said:

No it's definitely not stupid. The perspective is understandble. Especially since Nintendo has been constantly drilling it into peoples heads that he was an avatar.

Yeah, it works for me. If they give Link a voice, maybe I'd find harder to make that abstraction, and I could maybe lose that inmersion for me. Although I agree that with each new Zelda game they've released, Link was growing as a proper character, making me harder to overcome that "issue". I wouldn't mind a Link with voice, but I'd need to time to get used to it. 



Soundwave on 08 April 2016

Link's never really been a particularly "strong" personality to begin with and he's always looked effeminate basically the N64 era on at least.

I don't have a problem with it, it's like Peter Pan being played by a woman, it doesn't bother me.

And yes the character is basically an avatar. Also if the character is already established as someone that can be reincarnated, then I guess why couldn't he be reincarnated as a she. 

But hey if you just can't live without Link having a penis and balls, I mean ... like just chose the male model? Like what's the issue?



Frogger on 08 April 2016
GoOnKid said:

Exactly!

It's unwise to doubt something just because it sounds like an easy conclusion to come to.

Also, Aonuma probably added a female option in response to fan reaction. Not the first time he's done it.



Nautilus on 08 April 2016
Hynad said:
Nautilus said:

It dosent need to necessarily have two different storylines in the same game, even though if fully fleshed out that could be a really good idea(Maybe even switching betwenn them, like if one is stuck in the dark world and anothe rin the light world and make them interact with one another in some way).I was thinking more in the lines of having a game only for the female lead, that only stars her.It would give a fresh new protagonist, and would shake things up.As far as complaints go, I personally think this would have less repercussions than making Link female, but I will admit that I may not being entirely objective in this analysis, since I dont like the female Link idea.

About the avatar criteria, you may have a point there, but then again, every example you list have some level of customization to the main caracther, while in Zelda you can only change Links name top.For me an avatar would be someone who has zero personality, or next to it, like in XCX(As far as I know, since Ididnt play that game.So please no spoilers),or that you can change his personality to being a saint to a total dick, without having the developer tell you that one specific personality is the canon.Its really hard to pinpoint a real categorization of being an avatar, but for me Link is far from being one in my vision.

And the romance part dosent necessarily have to be consumed or extremely expliced(read:to be said they are in a relationship or that they want).It could also be implied, like it is in TP, with you-know-who.And if Link was female in that game, well it would create another range of problems.

For me, making Link female seems so... unnecessary, especially when there are so many better options at hand.Its like pissing off people that would care about it for no really good reason.

It is never implied anything in Twilight Princess. It's all in your imagination.

As for the "pissing people that would care about it"... Why would they be pissed? What's wrong with having a choice? Why would it diminish their appriciation for the game? Please, give me one good reason why it would be such a big deal? Tradition? Because it's always been a male Link? What importance does it make?

really?For me it was heavily implied.Then again, I dont remember much of that game and can be my imagination.... Ill be playing the HD versino ina few months, so Ill remember.

Now to the other questions, not wanting to be mean, but I already wrote extensively about it in the other posts, so if you want to know the reason, just read through them.And yes, tradition is important, as a caracther legacy is also important.Imagine if for Uncharted 4 they made Drake into a woman(and gave a really good reason plot-wise for that to happen), how would fans feel?It just feels out of place, even though Nintendo could really do it.



My (locked) thread about how difficulty should be a decision for the developers, not the gamers.

https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=241866&page=1

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Hynad on 08 April 2016
Nautilus said:
Hynad said:

It is never implied anything in Twilight Princess. It's all in your imagination.

As for the "pissing people that would care about it"... Why would they be pissed? What's wrong with having a choice? Why would it diminish their appriciation for the game? Please, give me one good reason why it would be such a big deal? Tradition? Because it's always been a male Link? What importance does it make?

really?For me it was heavily implied.Then again, I dont remember much of that game and can be my imagination.... Ill be playing the HD versino ina few months, so Ill remember.

Now to the other questions, not wanting to be mean, but I already wrote extensively about it in the other posts, so if you want to know the reason, just read through them.And yes, tradition is important, as a caracther legacy is also important.Imagine if for Uncharted 4 they made Drake into a woman(and gave a really good reason plot-wise for that to happen), how would fans feel?It just feels out of place, even though Nintendo could really do it.

Every Zelda game, or almost all of them, have a different Link. This is completely different from Uncharted, where it is the story of a fully fleshed-out and defined character. Your comparison doesn't stand. And  so far in this thread, you haven't given any reasonable reason why it is such a big deal to be allowed to choose Link's gender.



Soundwave on 08 April 2016
Nautilus said:
Hynad said:

It is never implied anything in Twilight Princess. It's all in your imagination.

As for the "pissing people that would care about it"... Why would they be pissed? What's wrong with having a choice? Why would it diminish their appriciation for the game? Please, give me one good reason why it would be such a big deal? Tradition? Because it's always been a male Link? What importance does it make?

really?For me it was heavily implied.Then again, I dont remember much of that game and can be my imagination.... Ill be playing the HD versino ina few months, so Ill remember.

Now to the other questions, not wanting to be mean, but I already wrote extensively about it in the other posts, so if you want to know the reason, just read through them.And yes, tradition is important, as a caracther legacy is also important.Imagine if for Uncharted 4 they made Drake into a woman(and gave a really good reason plot-wise for that to happen), how would fans feel?It just feels out of place, even though Nintendo could really do it.

Nathan Drake is a pretty gritty male character though. It's central to the character's persona. 

Link has always been very effiminate and andrognous, akin to Peter Pan where is a mute avatar basically for the player with no distinct personality. 

I mean half the Link cosplayers are women and no one bats an eyelash. 

This is a woman dressed up as Link. Looks like ... Link. 

Women make the best Link cosplayers because the character is so effeminate to begin with. 



Nautilus on 08 April 2016
Hynad said:
Nautilus said:

really?For me it was heavily implied.Then again, I dont remember much of that game and can be my imagination.... Ill be playing the HD versino ina few months, so Ill remember.

Now to the other questions, not wanting to be mean, but I already wrote extensively about it in the other posts, so if you want to know the reason, just read through them.And yes, tradition is important, as a caracther legacy is also important.Imagine if for Uncharted 4 they made Drake into a woman(and gave a really good reason plot-wise for that to happen), how would fans feel?It just feels out of place, even though Nintendo could really do it.

Every Zelda game, or almost all of them, have a different Link. This is completely different from Uncharted, where it is the story of a fully fleshed-out and defined character. Your comparison doesn't stand. And you haven't given any reasonable reason so far in this thread.

Link has different incarnations, but he has the same soul.The same goes for Zelda.And no, thats not the same thing.

Reasonable is the keyword here.thats your opinion, and I respect that.But Im 200% sure that I gave a reason that is more than reasonableLike I said, plot-wise it is more than possible that Link may be reborn as a girl, even though there is the reason that Spemanig said that he may well not be reborn that way, but other than simply making a zelda skin, there is no good reason.Now, if you agree with that or not, thats really your problem.Especially since you also gave no reason why this should exist other than "why not?".

And what do you mean by Uncharted having a "fully fleshed-out and defined character"?.As far as I know, Link is also fully fleshed-out.He is a steriotype hero, but he is.



My (locked) thread about how difficulty should be a decision for the developers, not the gamers.

https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=241866&page=1

Soundwave on 08 April 2016
Nautilus said:
Hynad said:

Every Zelda game, or almost all of them, have a different Link. This is completely different from Uncharted, where it is the story of a fully fleshed-out and defined character. Your comparison doesn't stand. And you haven't given any reasonable reason so far in this thread.

Link has different incarnations, but he has the same soul.The same goes for Zelda.And no, thats not the same thing.

Reasonable is the keyword here.thats your opinion, and I respect that.But Im 200% sure that I gave a reason that is more than reasonableLike I said, plot-wise it is more than possible that Link may be reborn as a girl, even though there is the reason that Spemanig said that he may well not be reborn that way, but other than simply making a zelda skin, there is no good reason.Now, if you agree with that or not, thats really your problem.Especially since you also gave no reason why this should exist other than "why not?".

And what do you mean by Uncharted having a "fully fleshed-out and defined character"?.As far as I know, Link is also fully fleshed-out.He is a steriotype hero, but he is.

Link has no personality and doesn't speak. 

Drake does, Drake have romantic relationships with women are also part of the character on top of the five o'clock shadow. 

Link is andrognous too, it's like he's exactly Mater Chief. Look at this, this probably the most like Link ... it takes a woman to create that look though:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0MgYvK90J_A



fleischr on 08 April 2016

Link as a girl? Linkle?

If it makes no difference in how the game plays - that's all good by me. Let's be honest: neither SJWs or GamerGaters want any kind of 'oh woe is me, imma girl' storyline. Let's hope Nintendo learned that lesson from Other M already.

I am concerned that strong traditional male protagonist leads seem to be growing ever more scarce in the Zelda franchise. Look no further than Hyrule Warriors cast list to see what I mean. IMHO Link's adventures have been at their best when it's woven into a coming-of-age tale of a boy becoming a man. When you insist to make Link a girl/woman, you might end up with a storyline that has no male protagonists -or rather a game full of female and very effeminate male protagonists (ex: Tingle) and mostly male antagonists. That could lead to some incoherent coming-of-age themes and storyline.



I predict NX launches in 2017 - not 2016