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Qwark said:
Mr Puggsly said:

Simply saying where these alleged criminals are from is racist? The bar has gotten really low, sounds like people hate facts.

 

Statements made ​​in public that deliberately incite hatred against certain individuals or groups in society are punishable.

 

This is our law, considering shading negative light over these immigrants does exactly that it is in fact not legal. It incites hatred against a minority which is punishable by law, rarely executed but still.

 

Swedish law forbids registration based on people’s ancestry or religion; 

http://www.jewishpress.com/news/swedish-pm-is-right-you-cant-blame-muslim-refugees-for-rise-in-rapes/2016/01/21/

Considering Germany and Sweden already share nearly 3/4 of eachother is laws thanks to EU. It's safe to assume that those laws also apply in Germany.


Just because a law exist doesent mean its racist or intended incite hate.

It sounds like they have to avoid giving information in fear of being called racist.



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Teeqoz said:
Machina said:
Heads back in sand in 3...2...1...

It's more like people's heads are in sand when it comes to crime like this performed by natives or non-muslim immigrants.

 

I mean, when people say muslim immigrants perform more of these (sexual harrasment/abuse) crimes than natives, they are right.... until you adjust for the age and gender composition of these immigrants. At least in Norway, 20-40 year old muslim immigrant men have a *barely* higher rape/sexual harassment rate than 20-40 year old Norwegian men, however people use misleading bogus statistics that don't account for the demographic spread of immigrants (ie. 20-40 year old men of any origin have higher rates for sexual related crimes, and it just so happens that this age and gender group is overrepresented in the immigrant population compared to the native population, making it seem like immigrants as a whole are more inclined to perform such acts than natives, when in reality, when you compare them by different age and gender groups, the rates are about the same for natives and muslim immigrants). People wilfully ignore this so that they  can try and blame it on the culture of the countries these people are from.

 

Not that I in no way condone of rape or any sexually harrassing acts, and I think Europe has ways to go on the integration side of things (which is the real problem...)

Not to mention, of course, that in this particular case homosexuality and paedophilia are prohibited in the Quran, so these guys have acted against the teachings of Islam. And of course the moral standard in the Quran relating to heterosexual activity is that sex should only be between a man and woman. So any sex crime committed by a Muslim is against Islamic law. Hence one cannot blame an immigrant's Muslim heritage for that behaviour, rather blame their lack of adherence to their Muslim faith for this behaviour. They might find some warped interpretation of the Quran to justify blowing things up and killing people in airports, but there's nothing in the Quran to justify crimes of this nature. So given rapists come in all colours and nationalities and Islamic law condemns sex outside of marriage and prohibits homosexual sex outright, it would seem that the immigrant and religious status of these people are not actually relevant to the case. 



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I'd love to see what Politically correct people would say in response to this.

I don't want to ban refugees, but we can't allow them to keep coming in if they'll simply cause problems and eat up Europe's healthcare system and economy



 

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binary solo said:
Teeqoz said:

It's more like people's heads are in sand when it comes to crime like this performed by natives or non-muslim immigrants.

 

I mean, when people say muslim immigrants perform more of these (sexual harrasment/abuse) crimes than natives, they are right.... until you adjust for the age and gender composition of these immigrants. At least in Norway, 20-40 year old muslim immigrant men have a *barely* higher rape/sexual harassment rate than 20-40 year old Norwegian men, however people use misleading bogus statistics that don't account for the demographic spread of immigrants (ie. 20-40 year old men of any origin have higher rates for sexual related crimes, and it just so happens that this age and gender group is overrepresented in the immigrant population compared to the native population, making it seem like immigrants as a whole are more inclined to perform such acts than natives, when in reality, when you compare them by different age and gender groups, the rates are about the same for natives and muslim immigrants). People wilfully ignore this so that they  can try and blame it on the culture of the countries these people are from.

 

Not that I in no way condone of rape or any sexually harrassing acts, and I think Europe has ways to go on the integration side of things (which is the real problem...)

Not to mention, of course, that in this particular case homosexuality and paedophilia are prohibited in the Quran, so these guys have acted against the teachings of Islam. And of course the moral standard in the Quran relating to heterosexual activity is that sex should only be between a man and woman. So any sex crime committed by a Muslim is against Islamic law. Hence one cannot blame an immigrant's Muslim heritage for that behaviour, rather blame their lack of adherence to their Muslim faith for this behaviour. They might find some warped interpretation of the Quran to justify blowing things up and killing people in airports, but there's nothing in the Quran to justify crimes of this nature. So given rapists come in all colours and nationalities and Islamic law condemns sex outside of marriage and prohibits homosexual sex outright, it would seem that the immigrant and religious status of these people are not actually relevant to the case. 


Quran 9:29 - "Fight against those who (1) believe not in Allah, (2) nor in the Last Day, (3) nor forbid that which has been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger (4) and those who acknowledge not the religion of truth among the people of the Scripture, until they pay the Jizyah with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."

And yes, it means it literally. A brief bit of research into Muhammed's life soon makes that evident. Alternatively read a translated version of the Quran (1, 2, 3, or Google any number of others) - you don't have to read much, just an hour or so and the pattern will become clear - most pages contain some form of violence or incitement to violence against non-believers. I think if more people in the west read it they'd be less eager to come to this (or virtually any other) religion's defence all the time.

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You're right about homosexuality between adult men, but there are several verses in the Quran that allow for heterosexual rape of non-believers and slaves:

- Quran 4:24
- Quran 8:69-71
- Quran 16:75
- Quran 23:5-6
- Quran 33:50
- Quran 70:29-30

And of course you can rape your wife whenever you like (Quran 2:223). Heterosexual paedophilia is also explicitly endorsed by Muhammed's marriage to Aisha. I'll not go into the Quran's backwards views on women and inherent misogyny, but there's a tonne of that too.



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Machina said:
binary solo said:

Not to mention, of course, that in this particular case homosexuality and paedophilia are prohibited in the Quran, so these guys have acted against the teachings of Islam. And of course the moral standard in the Quran relating to heterosexual activity is that sex should only be between a man and woman. So any sex crime committed by a Muslim is against Islamic law. Hence one cannot blame an immigrant's Muslim heritage for that behaviour, rather blame their lack of adherence to their Muslim faith for this behaviour. They might find some warped interpretation of the Quran to justify blowing things up and killing people in airports, but there's nothing in the Quran to justify crimes of this nature. So given rapists come in all colours and nationalities and Islamic law condemns sex outside of marriage and prohibits homosexual sex outright, it would seem that the immigrant and religious status of these people are not actually relevant to the case. 


Quran 9:29 - "Fight against those who (1) believe not in Allah, (2) nor in the Last Day, (3) nor forbid that which has been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger (4) and those who acknowledge not the religion of truth among the people of the Scripture, until they pay the Jizyah with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."

And yes, it means it literally. A brief bit of research into Muhammed's life soon makes that evident. Alternatively read a translated version of the Quran (1, 2, 3, or Google any number of others) - you don't have to read much, just an hour or so and the pattern will become clear - most pages contain some form of violence or incitement to violence against non-believers. I think if more people in the west read it they'd be less eager to come to this (or virtually any other) religion's defence all the time.

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You're right about homosexuality between adult men, but there are several verses in the Quran that allow for heterosexual rape of non-believers and slaves:

- Quran 4:24
- Quran 8:69-71
- Quran 16:75
- Quran 23:5-6
- Quran 33:50
- Quran 70:29-30

And of course you can rape your wife whenever you like (Quran 2:223). Heterosexual paedophilia is also explicitly endorsed by Muhammed's marriage to Aisha. I'll not go into the Quran's backwards views on women and inherent misogyny, but there's a tonne of that too.

Dude just stop, you have taken every last verse out of context and I assume you got these quotes and "interpretations" from pamela ghallers et al web site. Next you will probably post that Allah is the moon god or is that going to far and will expose the kind of web site you are getting all these lies from?



This is why scum should be properly processed. Filter the crims from the rest and only let the law abiding, genuine refugees in. Real refugees are usually lovely people and some of our closest family friends are refugees from Uganda. They work a hell of a lot harder than most native Aussies and pay their fair share of taxes. They raise their kids to be respectful and integrate too.

Filter the scum.



This forum is probably not the right place to discuss such things but there is a relation to muslims and crime. The sad thing is that nobody really wants to do studies how they are related.
Is it a religious issue? Or a cultural issue? How is religion dependand on culture and vice versa?
Is it just a coincidence that muslims are seen as more aggressive? Is it just prejudices or do people who have experiences with muslims in Germany for decades already judged about these people? Or when it's not a coincidence, is there a causality involved? All questions which are not addressed in the public.
I can't even count anymore how often muslims were the topic of talk-shows and in the end it's always "don't generalize because not every one of them is criminal!" and by stating exactly this, we are preventing a discussion since years and nothing changed - no immigration effort from both the government and many that go to European countries.



X1Gates said:
Machina said:


Quran 9:29 - "Fight against those who (1) believe not in Allah, (2) nor in the Last Day, (3) nor forbid that which has been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger (4) and those who acknowledge not the religion of truth among the people of the Scripture, until they pay the Jizyah with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."

And yes, it means it literally. A brief bit of research into Muhammed's life soon makes that evident. Alternatively read a translated version of the Quran (1, 2, 3, or Google any number of others) - you don't have to read much, just an hour or so and the pattern will become clear - most pages contain some form of violence or incitement to violence against non-believers. I think if more people in the west read it they'd be less eager to come to this (or virtually any other) religion's defence all the time.

--------

You're right about homosexuality between adult men, but there are several verses in the Quran that allow for heterosexual rape of non-believers and slaves:

- Quran 4:24
- Quran 8:69-71
- Quran 16:75
- Quran 23:5-6
- Quran 33:50
- Quran 70:29-30

And of course you can rape your wife whenever you like (Quran 2:223). Heterosexual paedophilia is also explicitly endorsed by Muhammed's marriage to Aisha. I'll not go into the Quran's backwards views on women and inherent misogyny, but there's a tonne of that too.

Dude just stop, you have taken every last verse out of context and I assume you got these quotes and "interpretations" from pamela ghallers et al web site. Next you will probably post that Allah is the moon god or is that going to far and will expose the kind of web site you are getting all these lies from?

The problem is, many ppl read quran or bible and understand thing out of context and think they know the only truth !

Anyway any migrant should get a read books about how foreign ppl living and sign a charte they understand so no excuse for not understand how freedom country live and adapt to us country.

 




walsufnir said:
Is it just prejudices or do people who have experiences with muslims in Germany for decades already judged about these people? Or when it's not a coincidence, is there a causality involved?

As someone who lives in a corner of Germany with tons of turkish and turkish-german people, it highly depends on a ton of things.

-Integration: That's really an issue. Fact is, the better people are integrated the less problems. And while not so few really are well integrated others are not at all

-Mentality: That's even depending from where in Turkey families came from. And yes, it depends on religious views as well. Though i'd actually not saya that religous muslims are always conservative or even centuries backwards.

-Social status: Well, that one is nothing new and not even a problem for ethnic minorities. But with muslims overall still having a lower social status it's just likely to see more problems.

There's a ton of reasons. Some might have cultural and/or religious background while others won't.