Just lets make this apples to apples. Here. Since TFA is P1 of 3 and you used the advantages of a story arc over an entire trilogy in your argument.

So take EP 1. By itself. Its your 1st SW movie. Who is ObiWan? Who is Qui Gon? Why do they matter. Wait laser swords. Jedi? 

TFA actually tries to give enough background info on the old character, the force, the jedi, and other key parts of the lore that a 1st timer could at least kinda get what is going on. IMO TFA is the 1st SW movie since the Orginal you can watch without having seen the others. Yes the enjoyment is higher if you have seen the others but it is not required to follow along. 

Also like I said, part 1 of 3. Years from now TFA will be judged based on how good the trilogy ends up being and how well it complements the total story. ESB is not the best SW movie when watch alone(like I said thats ANH or TFA), but it is the best IMO in the context of the entire saga. 

As far as character arcs go, I thought the main 4 character were fairly dynamic. Rey, Finn, Han and Ren all progress quite a bit as the story unfolds. Yes Leia, Hux, Snoke, Chewie, Poe and other minor characters are static but that is there role in this movie. 

so plot is the only thing that matters in a movie? I guess every James Bond movie ever is bad and just about every action movie ever made. 

You can do this to any movie. Let me have a go at it.

Mad Max plot SUCKS! its about this guy who gets stuck on a truck with some girls. They get chased by a biker gang who wants there girls back. They get to where they thought they wanted to go. Find some more girls and then decide to go back to where they came from. Mad Max is a bad movie. Plain and simple I am right. I guess we need some movies for the simple peasants to enjoy. 

Personally I found Mad Max quite good. The fact its plot was just a simple vehecile to move the story alone has little impact on the movie. 

Star Wars, Mad Max, etc are not supposed to by Physcological thillers with a mindbending plot. They are fun movies with a plot that is simple there to give the characters a reason to do the things they do. 

(also you kinda blew your cover with the comment that only Star Wars fanboys thought the movie was good)

I dont know what thia strands for..?

is this for me.. (becourse i as ask what you mean by thia?)  Becourse I dont.. and even google cant help me.. :)

"A bad movie is a bad movie. A game full of plotholes is a bad movie. If it didnt have STAR WARS in the title that movie would've tanked really hard."

"No. i'm not hating. The movie was just bad. "

Don't pretend I'm attacking your opinions.  Because I'm not.  You're stating them as facts.  If you're doing so, you have to back them up as such.

The planets that got destroyed were part of the Hosnian systems.  Granted, I had to look up the name, but I did clearly remember that they were destroyed because it contained the capital of the New Republic, and a large portion of their military fleet, not to mention part of its leadership.  It was an important target militarily and symbolically.   This is not a plot hole, this is you not paying attention.

The First Order was allowed to exist because the New Republic underestimated them.  This is why Leia started the resistance, because she tried to convince them that the FO was a threat, and got shouted down.  If this seemse unreasonable, take a look at world politics and history, and you'll see that it happens.  As for a planet sized weapon, it's really not that big.  We're talking about a galactic scale here.  Our galaxy has 100 billion planets.  It's really not that hard to believe that an object the size of one of these planets could go unnoticed, particularly as the Galaxy is still rebuilding after the fall of the Empire.

Rey is important because she is sensitive to the force, and there are not many people like that left.  She also has a clear connection to Luke Skywalker, as his lightsaber Awakens memories and abilities in her.  She also displays traits showing that she is HIGHLY gifted in the use of the force such as her piloting ability.  As for a detailed backstory, no we don't get that.  But, leaving some details to be discovered later in a trilogy is not a plothole.

You're free to have whatever opinion you like of the movie.  If you want to say you don't like it, that's one thing.  If you want to say "a bad movie is a bad movie" or "none of it makes sense" or "there were plotholes everywhere", then those are things you have to back up.  If you're saying that you hate it because of plotholes, but can't name any, then that's your option.  And it is my conclusion based on that, that you are indeed a hater.  Haters gon' hate.

I saw it last night. The movie is mediocre. It had some strong points. Affleck and Irons were great for example. Cavill and Adams were good as well. However, Jessie Eisenberg was awful. Lex Luthor is the Dr. Doom of DC live action media. What do I mean by that? Like Dr. Doom he is a great comic book character that gets criminally mishandled. Not going play spoiler, but their something about Batman that has nothing to do with Affleck that REALLY bothered me.

I think the problem with Doom is there are just some characters that don't translate well between mediums.  For example, a guy who literally has Doom in his name trying to go around as a legitimate ruler... Eh... it comes off as weird.

If they wanted to actually do a good job with Dr. Doom, they can't do it in a Fantastic Four movie.  They'd have to do a seperate Doom Origin film (along the lines of Books of Doom) and then bring him into the sequel once he's been established.

I don't think there's any James Bond movie that I like.

Yes, Mad Max wasn't great unless all you like is explosions.

I don't need a complex movie - just one that doesn't treat the watcher as an idiot. And also that doesn't put me to sleep like TFA. I think I dozed off during Deadpool too.

And I don't see how anyone can see past the issues with TFA unless they are big fans of the franchise.

ironically thats what people have been saying about BvS what makes them wrong about that? and you right about TFA?

its funny cause i was thinking the same thing. It can be done, weirder concepts have worked. But the people doing it HAVE TO GIVE A DAMN and IMHO im just not getting that feeling with the DC at least not the movie division.

If it were up to me there would be a Doom film like Books of Doom, great read. that could lead into a Fantastic Four movie which could lead to a Future Foundation fllm, good trilogy right there. One can dream