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The point I am making is that you are wasting your energy and pointing your finger at the wrong people here.
Whose fault is it that these things are censored? NoA who can do whatever they want because they are the only feasible option as distributor, or SE who can be a feasible option for unaltered content but seemingly refuse to?



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Rumor is that "localized" version of Bravely Second completely lacks the story branch leading to bad ending. Probably because all the 30-something people who still care about nintendo in the west will be depressed into suicide attempt or something like that.



RolStoppable said:
Aeolus451 said:

Because they are not obligated to port every game released in japan. It makes perfect sense to only port games that are likely to sell well overseas. If gamers were gonna hold fault to any japanese gaming company for not porting a game then everyone of them would be guilty. It's ridiculous to hold any fault for not porting a game. Nintendo is porting games they think will do well overseas but they should just leave the game content alone except to translate or add in voices. They're trying too hard to be a kid's company. They should respect the consumer's choice if they want to play a game with whatever kind of content. One size doesn't fit everyone.

Seriously? So you would have sided with Nintendo during the whole Operation Rainfall incident where Nintendo of America decided to not publish three games (Xenoblade Chronicles, The Last Story, Pandora's Tower)?

I don't believe that for one second. Your dislike for Nintendo has made you so blind that you would now defend Nintendo for far worse things than some minor adjustments to a game and an artbook.

It's their choice on that and it's completely fair both gamers/the company. If the sales don't warrant it then why port it? That's why the PS3 lacked alot of japanese games. I don't hold that against any japanese dev/pub. If you think they are obligated to port a game in spite of a high risk for low sales then you're being entitled about it. You can also lay off the "blind" and "it says alot about yourselves". 

I don't like the majority of nintendo games and that's why I don't buy any of their devices. That could easily change if nintendo focused more on the older gamers and having a normal controller. That doesn't make me blind.   You're completely mistaken that I dislike nintendo, though. I'm indifferent towards 'em. I despise censorship though hence why I've been posting in any thread related to censorship and not the abundance of nx rumor threads. 



sterner said:
Rumor is that "localized" version of Bravely Second completely lacks the story branch leading to bad ending. Probably because all the 30-something people who still care about nintendo in the west will be depressed into suicide attempt or something like that.

that's insane if true and anyone who defends this bullcrap are just as bad anti-consumer as the people who defend on disc DLC, season passes, and micro-transactions.

 

hell i'll go as far as to say this crap is worst freaking grahpical downgrades this is stuff that directly impacts gameplay.



Guys, guys. Square enix hired an Italian company called Binari Sonori to do the localization on the first game. There's virtually no Nintendo staff actually doing anything on these games that isn't handling the money or the marketing. And the second game probably is the same situation.

Here's the source:
http://www.siliconera.com/2013/12/16/heres-worked-bravely-defaults-english-localization/



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RolStoppable said:
Ruler said:

what other companies? As of now Sony doesnt let anything left behind in Japan. Even when people in NA complained about not getting a physical copy of Gravity Rush Remastered they gave them their wish unlike with Project Zero 5.

You do realize that things have changed over the years with localisations? We get a lot of Japanese games now in the west, part of it is dueto the decreasing value of the Yen. I cant think of any SE game that wont release in the west or is in limbo.

 

I could easiy import the Japanese version of Project Zero 5 and unlock the costumes again since i allready beat the game ounce.

Square-Enix! You should complain about Square-Enix. You are saying it yourself that localisations have become more common over the years. On the 3DS we have small publishers like Atlus or NIS America bringing games to America and Europe for a few tenthousands of copies to be sold, but somehow the big publisher Square-Enix can't get themselves to localize games that would sell in the hundredthousands. The reason why you can't think of any S-E game that won't release in the West is because Nintendo will bring some of their 3DS games over and the rest you just don't care about. Bravely Second is the first this year, Dragon Quest VII and VIII will follow.

There are Square-Enix games that will most likely stay in Japan. I don't think Nintendo has the capacities to localize the various Dragon Quest Monsters games on top of the things that they are already doing. Square-Enix themselves are obviously not going to do it, because they already couldn't be bothered to bring over mainline Dragon Quest games.

They localized every dragon quest game when it stayed on Playstation, nintendo not so much. Dragonquest heroes allready sold Dragonquest X



Hiku said:

Complaining about Nintendo's censorship reaches Square Enix's ears as well. It's their choice in letting Nintendo publish their games. I'm sure there are other companies who would be willing to publish big Square Enix titles like this over the much smaller niche titles they usually bring over to the west instead. But Nintendo may be a more profitable choice for Square.

Several outfits in the game have been altered like this. But this is a teen rated game.

Seeing a little bit of skin, especially on unproportionalized chibi characters should not be such a huge concern for a teen audience as Nintendo make it out to be.
If Nintendo prefers an E for Everyone rating, then just don't publish Teen rated games if you're going to botch them up like this, altering and removing content, dialogue, character personalites, inserting The Simpsons references, and supposedly even the option to get multiple endings as well, etc.

Square need to chose a different publisher for their games.

You're so really sure that it's Nintendo which is guilty for this? I know that usually SE choose their own localization teams, and even if I'm not sure which was the localization team behind Bravely Second, I'm willing to bet that it's SE related. Also, SE did similar things in the past, for example:

This is for Mobius Final Fantasy, it's not really the same case but they toned down the model for the Japanese release, compared to the previous model. Too much skin. Not really censorship because the game wasn't released with the first character model, but it shows that they're willing to tone down some model characters if they feel they're not suitable.

Also, Bravely Default was censored, and this game is pretty much SE fault. 

And I really agree with BD censorship, by the way, 15-year old women in erotic outfits is totally disgusting. 

As I said, I don't really know which company was responsible, but jumping to conclusions so quick screams "bias" to me.



padib said:
pokoko said:
If I were a collector, which probably who usually buys art books, then this would piss me off a lot more than the changes to the game.

Also, they LEFT IN the bits that actually WERE changed in the game? Now that's hilarious.

If you were a collector, wouldn't you get it in japanese?

Aeolus451 said:
RolStoppable said:

Seriously? So you would have sided with Nintendo during the whole Operation Rainfall incident where Nintendo of America decided to not publish three games (Xenoblade Chronicles, The Last Story, Pandora's Tower)?

I don't believe that for one second. Your dislike for Nintendo has made you so blind that you would now defend Nintendo for far worse things than some minor adjustments to a game and an artbook.

It's their choice on that and it's completely fair both gamers/the company. If the sales don't warrant it then why port it? That's why the PS3 lacked alot of japanese games. I don't hold that against any japanese dev/pub. If you think they are obligated to port a game in spite of a high risk for low sales then you're being entitled about it. You can also lay off the "blind" and "it says alot about yourselves". 

I don't like the majority of nintendo games and that's why I don't buy any of their devices. That could easily change if nintendo focused more on the older gamers and having a normal controller. That doesn't make me blind.   You're completely mistaken that I dislike nintendo, though. I'm indifferent towards 'em. I despise censorship though hence why I've been posting in any thread related to censorship and not the abundance of nx rumor threads. 

So you would prefer no content at all than content with minor changes.

Isn't that a case where your principles blind you from practical matters? Is it more important to keep the game exactly as is and not even release it or is it more important to release it? With absolutely minor censorship, at least the gamers get to enjoy 99.99% of the art of the game, in and outside the software.

If it were up to you, they would enjoy 0%, all for the sake of the 0.01% of content that just may be censored.

Mountain, meet molehill.

Who says they're not gonna port it if it can't be censored? That whole arguement that people won't get a port if a game is not censored versus if it is is complete scat. That wouldn't stop them from porting a game especially if the game has rating of teen or mature to begin with. In the majority of the gaminig markets, what they censored from the games wouldn't have affected their ratings if left alone.  If any of what you said was true then only zero percent of gamers would be playing GTA. 



padib said:
Aeolus451 said:

Who says they're not gonna port it if it can't be censored? That whole arguement that people won't get a port if a game is not censored versus if it is is complete scat. That wouldn't stop them from porting a game especially if the game has rating of teen or mature to begin with. In the majority of the gaminig markets, what they censored from the games wouldn't have affected their ratings if left alone.  If any of what you said was true then only zero percent of gamers would be playing GTA. 

Okay, I believe you then. If Nintendo didn't step in, the game would have released stateside.

Thanks

That's not the topic. It's not about nintendo stepping in or not. It has nothing to do with this. Nintendo didn't have to censor the game in order to port it. 



The idiots that work on localization at Nintendo Treehouse need to be fired, let some non-extremists do that job so they don't censor the hell out of it.