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Chevinator123 on 28 February 2016
RolStoppable said:

You want to talk about lack of respect? Square-Enix doesn't want to localize their 3DS games because gamers in America and Europe aren't worth it, even though it's obvious that those regions have an interest in Square-Enix games.

You want to know how Nintendo wins favors? They are using their resources to bring games over that the pricks who are in charge of Square-Enix would hold hostage in Japan otherwise.

Here are your choices:

1. Accept Nintendo's "outrageous" censorship.
2. Learn Japanese.

If you aren't happy about these choices, let Square-Enix know that they shouldn't be so dismissive of their fans who don't live in Japan or don't know Japanese. That way Nintendo wouldn't get their hands on the games in the first place.
ReimTime said:
Yeah I'm with Rol. Those who are so offended by censorship should have no qualms to order the game in its Japanese format anyhow - if they are so incensed as it would seem.
Mild censorship isn't such a big problem when weighed against the possibility of the population not getting the game - in an widely accessible format - in the first place.

 

This is just avoiding the problem though because it doesnt attempt to explain or justify the censorship?



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binary solo on 28 February 2016

Nintendo believes it's Japanese audience is older and more sophisitcated, and it believes its Western audience is younger and less mature, and has parents looking of their kids shoulders. Hence they change their product for what they perceive is the mainstay of their western audience.

Either that, or they want to maintain an image of being the family console in the west and thus they try to stay below a moral line with western games.

Either way it's Nintendo making decisions for its own reasons and if they think it's good for business then they are hardly likely to change.



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Aeolus451 on 28 February 2016
RolStoppable said:
Chevinator123 said:

This is just avoiding the problem though because it doesnt attempt to explain or justify the censorship?

Not holding Square-Enix accountable for refusing to publish 3DS games outside of Japan is avoiding a bigger problem.

One company issued the swap of the Tomahawk class for the Cowboy class and the change of three pages of an artbook that is 250 pages thick, the other company didn't want to make the game available in regions outside of Japan. It should be obvious what the greater evil is. My point is that if people get upset over minor changes to games, then they should most definitely cry foul when a publisher pulls the stunts that Square-Enix does.

Square enix's accountablity on refusing to publish some 3DS games has nothing to do with nintendo censoring an art book of a game. I don't care if it's on topic or not but you're just trying to shift the focus to something else.



Birimbau on 28 February 2016

At least west doesn't censor porn.



Ruler on 29 February 2016

and.. more is found

 

 

 

RolStoppable said:
StarOcean said:
Why censor a book w/ art? That's disrespectful to the artist... I'd be pissed if I knew my art was taken out of a compilation book I made because I worked hard on everything that's in it. I dont know how Nintendo expects to win any favors from anyone with this unneeded censorship.

You want to talk about lack of respect? Square-Enix doesn't want to localize their 3DS games because gamers in America and Europe aren't worth it, even though it's obvious that those regions have an interest in Square-Enix games.

You want to know how Nintendo wins favors? They are using their resources to bring games over that the pricks who are in charge of Square-Enix would hold hostage in Japan otherwise.

Here are your choices:

1. Accept Nintendo's "outrageous" censorship.
2. Learn Japanese.

If you aren't happy about these choices, let Square-Enix know that they shouldn't be so dismissive of their fans who don't live in Japan or don't know Japanese. That way Nintendo wouldn't get their hands on the games in the first place.

We dont really know whats the reason behind it why SE isnt publishing these game. It could be Nintendo approuching them as their 3DS lineup is pretty sparse this year. Or SE could have published the game itself but decided also to ask Nintendo to save some money. They brought a lot of games latley like Dragon Quest Heroes on PlayStation.

And who says we cant complain about cencorship, even if are only left to buy these games anyways? Complaining costs no money did you know that, Rol?

And if Nintendo consoles werent region locked people wouldnt be so upset about getting the gimped versions in the rest of world.



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Aeolus451 on 29 February 2016
RolStoppable said:
Aeolus451 said:

Square enix's accountablity on refusing to publish some 3DS games has nothing to do with nintendo censoring an art book of a game. I don't care if it's on topic or not but you're just trying to shift the focus to something else.

Square-Enix's refusal is the root cause. If they had published the game in the West, Nintendo wouldn't have had to step in in the first place and then the "outrageous" censorship of three pages in an artbook wouldn't have happened either. Heck, if Square-Enix had published the game, then there would have probably been no artbook for the West to begin with.

I am giving people who care about gaming justice a fair chance to consider the entirety of this topic. You and others can choose to ignore Square-Enix, but it says a lot about yourselves.

So SE forced nintendo into censoring an artbook? oh Yeah.... That makes lots of sense. *rolls eyes

If SE chose not to port something because they didn't think the game would sell well enough then that's fine. It's their choice. It's not worth it for them. What does that have to do with nintendo making the choice to censor an artbook? Nothing and doesn't excuse it however you try to dice it.

Perhaps you should just put the shield down and understand that many people don't like censorship at all. Nintendo is starting to make a habit of censorship and it's getting noticed. 



Neodegenerate on 29 February 2016
RolStoppable said:
Ruler said:

We dont really know whats the reason behind it why SE isnt publishing these game. It could be Nintendo approuching them as their 3DS lineup is pretty sparse this year. Or SE could have published the game itself but decided also to ask Nintendo to save some money. They brought a lot of games latley like Dragon Quest Heroes on PlayStation.

And who says we cant complain about cencorship, even if are only left to buy these games anyways? Complaining costs no money did you know that, Rol?

And if Nintendo consoles werent region locked people wouldnt be so upset about getting the gimped versions in the rest of world.

Square-Enix puts money over gamers. You know, just like Rise of the Tomb Raider. If Nintendo doesn't do the localisations, then Square-Enix's games remain in Japan, regardless of their brand power (hence no Dragon Quest for the West). Square-Enix isn't holding Sony to the same standards because they know that Sony would not do it anyway. But Nintendo has a long history of localising third party games, including translations into more languages than just English.

You are free to complain about Nintendo if you apply the same standards to other companies.

The region lock isn't really a problem in this case. Most gamers in the West do not speak Japanese. If the 3DS were region-free, then we would have a Final Fantasy Type-0 (PSP) situation. That is not a working solution.

Every company puts money over gamers.  Those that don't find themselves in a situation where they are no longer a company eventually.

SE chooses to release games based on the profitability of them.  Just like every other well run company does with any product.  Just because you feel entitled to the game because it got made doesn't mean that the company doing the localization of it should get a free pass on unnecessary changes to the game and/or the accessories to the game (like the artbook).  Also, the fact that they felt strongly enough about changing some of the book's content, but NOT the same content they felt strongly enough about changing ingame speaks volumes to their inability to approach the situation logically and with a consistent vision.

Also, with regards to the selling well portion, Nintendo did the localization of the first game.  This saved SE some money and may have even made the game more profitable for them.  They would naturally go with the same solution again.



Dunban67 on 29 February 2016
RolStoppable said:
animegaming said:

i took a Japanese class for 2 years and is pretty hard lanuage to learn and at that point why don't just try and get a job at NoA's localization team and try to stop this shit from happening and what about First party games games like Fire Emblem and Xenoblade or else am i going to say this bullshit to?

Nintendo's instances of censorship are so negligible in the big picture that people who are upset about them should ask themselves where their priorities lie. When some minor things get changed during the process of localisation, and said things don't alter the games in any significant way, then what makes it such a big problem?

On the other hand, you have a publisher (Square-Enix) who refuses to localize their 3DS games themselves. That's something that people should pay more attention to. That would be something to be legitimately upset about.

Square Enix has nothing to do with this thread, at least in the context you mention them-  



Aeolus451 on 29 February 2016
RolStoppable said:
Aeolus451 said:

So SE forced nintendo into censoring an artbook? oh Yeah.... That makes lots of sense. *rolls eyes

If SE chose not to port something because they didn't think the game would sell well enough then that's fine. It's their choice. It's not worth it for them. What does that have to do with nintendo making the choice to censor an artbook? Nothing and doesn't excuse it however you try to dice it.

Perhaps you should just put the shield down and understand that many people don't like censorship at all. Nintendo is starting to make a habit of censorship and it's getting noticed. 

You are funny.

If Square-Enix doesn't localize sequels to games that sold well, then that's fine because it's their choice.
If Nintendo changes a few little things, then it's not fine, even though it is their choice.

You seriously have more respect for Square-Enix for withholding games from a worldwide audience than for Nintendo who makes games available to a worldwide audience.

Because they are not obligated to port every game released in japan. It makes perfect sense to only port games that are likely to sell well overseas. If gamers were gonna hold fault to any japanese gaming company for not porting a game then everyone of them would be guilty. It's ridiculous to hold any fault for not porting a game. Nintendo is porting games they think will do well overseas but they should just leave the game content alone except to translate or add in voices. They're trying too hard to be a kid's company. They should respect the consumer's choice if they want to play a game with whatever kind of content. One size doesn't fit everyone.



Ruler on 29 February 2016
RolStoppable said:
Ruler said:

We dont really know whats the reason behind it why SE isnt publishing these game. It could be Nintendo approuching them as their 3DS lineup is pretty sparse this year. Or SE could have published the game itself but decided also to ask Nintendo to save some money. They brought a lot of games latley like Dragon Quest Heroes on PlayStation.

And who says we cant complain about cencorship, even if are only left to buy these games anyways? Complaining costs no money did you know that, Rol?

And if Nintendo consoles werent region locked people wouldnt be so upset about getting the gimped versions in the rest of world.

Square-Enix puts money over gamers. You know, just like Rise of the Tomb Raider. If Nintendo doesn't do the localisations, then Square-Enix's games remain in Japan, regardless of their brand power (hence no Dragon Quest for the West). Square-Enix isn't holding Sony to the same standards because they know that Sony would not do it anyway. But Nintendo has a long history of localising third party games, including translations into more languages than just English.

You are free to complain about Nintendo if you apply the same standards to other companies.

The region lock isn't really a problem in this case. Most gamers in the West do not speak Japanese. If the 3DS were region-free, then we would have a Final Fantasy Type-0 (PSP) situation. That is not a working solution.

what other companies? As of now Sony doesnt let anything left behind in Japan. Even when people in NA complained about not getting a physical copy of Gravity Rush Remastered they gave them their wish unlike with Project Zero 5.

You do realize that things have changed over the years with localisations? We get a lot of Japanese games now in the west, part of it is dueto the decreasing value of the Yen. I cant think of any SE game that wont release in the west or is in limbo.

 

I could easiy import the Japanese version of Project Zero 5 and unlock the costumes again since i allready beat the game ounce.



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