Is this what MS is planning to achieve? | |||
| Yes | 41 | 40.20% | |
| No | 41 | 40.20% | |
| Maybe | 20 | 19.61% | |
| Total: | 102 | ||
| AEGRO said: Cross Buy = One Buy 2 Communities = 1 Sale I dont see how this would benefit MS from a software sale point of view. |
Those who have both a PC and an Xbox are not going to buy twice the same game.
I used to think the same thing about the Vita TV
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Protendo said:
Didn't work for the PS Vita, isn't going to work now. This is a lose/lose for Xbox fans. This is what the losers do, and for good reason. Xbox One just lost exclusives. Xbox now has less to differentiate itself from the competitors. I doubt anyone is going to by an Xbox One for a few first party that they already played on a superior platform years later; furthermore, by then they have a big enough collection to justify it the Xbox would be a dead platform. Notice third party games without contacts are not jumping on the we will develope a free PC version if you buy the Xbox One game bandwagon. Even less are going to want to restrict themselves to Windows 10 alone. All this does is increase the opportunity cost for consumers who are thinking about getting an Xbox One over PS4. True exclusives vs games I can get on the PC. I'm not saying this is bad for Microsoft. As a stockholder, I see this as a win/win. The Xbox value just went down, and it couldn't pick worse timing to do it. |
Not sure what you mean by lose/lose to Xbox fans(don't bother on explaining)
X1 will still sell whether you see it or not, the value won't decrease and don't forget about 3rd party games that boost sales for X1 as well.
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I think there is too much focus on sales of X1 hardware in this thread. What I think many of us, who are positive about these news, mean is this:
- Yes, this might indeed lead to the X1 having fewer sales compared to if they would have had the games only on the home cosole
- But this will also lead to the Xbox fanbase growing, since games on X1 also will be on PC, meaning I as a gamer, have the potential of being part of a gaming community of many more millions compared to if I was only confined to other gamers on the imeconsole.
fI this means that the X1 ends up selling 30 million copies, while the XBox fanbase grows to 130 million thanks to PC, there is no incentive for MS to stop making X1´s, since it will have a big enough userbase to motivate releasing games on it. It will get them to their goal; to have a gaming platform in the hands of everyone, no matter where they are. And it will mean higher software sales=bigger profit margins.
The only thing that worries me, is how third partieswill react? Will they be more hesitant to release games on X1? Will they look into cross-buy?
You are talking about a very small audience here.
The cross buy is also a hard buy because people have to buy Xbox Live to play the games that have online. Most PC owners that I know like cheap games and free service. But again it is a win for MS if some of those cross buyers pay for it.
| Scisca said: So we all know MS is converging Xbone and PC, Xbone exclusives are coming over to PC, Xbone gets mouse and keyboard support, etc. Everyone sees this as the end of the Bone. But are they right? I think MS is onto something. The way I see it, MS is changing its business model, they no longer want to play on equal grounds with Sony. They know Xbone will never win in EU and Japan and they have to fight hard even for US - that's not a fight they want to take, so they switch the rules. Traditional console is a typical 0/1, closed experience, you have to buy the console and games for that console or we have nothing for you. MS is changing that and the key is the incoming cross-buy! Everyone has a PC. Every console gamer has a PC and nowadays even average laptops (top tablets soon as well) are close to Xbone in performance, since the hardware race has slowed down the last couple years, we're hitting dimishing returns and manufacturers are more focused on power efficiency than raw power of the hardware. Many gamers do have OP OC OMG PC Master Race PCs. But we have them next to our desks where we work, not many people hook it up to the TV next to the couch in the living room. We can get a second PC for that (the famous Steambox idea), but it's a big box, OS is not optimized for couch experience, it costs more than a console - you know the drill, all the reasons, why we buy consoles in the first place. So, how about MS turns Xbone into the ultimate Steambox? Just think, you get the ultimate gaming experience from your rig, but when you actually wanna play on a massive screen, on the couch, in the bedroom, give a console to your kids, etc. all you have to do is put a cheap $250 (soon to be) Xbone Slim and you can play all your PC games there for no additional cost, since you share your library! How about that? Isn't that a massive gamechanger in favour of the Bone? PS4/NX can't offer that, cause you still need to buy their platform-specific games, while MS can offer you cross-buy Xbone/PC games. Obviously, they have to tackle Steam to do it, since I can't see them sharing profits with Valve and giving up Xbone games' sales at the same time, but that is a great incentive for people to switch over from Steam. Why buy a game on Steam for PC only, if you can pay the same price and have the PC and Xbone (and tablet?) version? After all, nowadays we have multiple screens at home in multiple rooms and this Xbone/PC experience would be an answer to that. And as the second step, they would extend this service to Windows tablets/phones and take on Apple/Google in the mobile market by making their products the go-to gamers' choice - just hook up the Xbone controller to your Windows tablet and you can play your whole library anywhere you are! That would be massive and would make picking up a Windows tablet over an Adroid one a no-brainer for me. What do you think? Is this the direction in which MS is going? Isn't this a great way for expanding their business and turning the cursed to be 2nd/3rd console into a Steambox killer and the most reasonable and complete choice for household entertainment? Console gamers still get the same experience if they just want to go with Xbone, but at the same time they get PC/tablet versions as a free premium. PC Master Race guys will be tempted to get the console for other rooms even just as a cheap gaming hub. Obviously, I can see this multi-device support as a part of the Live subscription to keep the subscriptions money flowing. I think MS is onto something potentially very big here, despite so many nay-sayers. |
Have you ever tried playing a pc game streamed to a tv?
And again, not to belabour a point, but I've actualy made a thread about this, one with a bit more research. Turns out microsoft bought this tv wifi dongle called miracast, and lo and behold, they've been optimizing it for video games. Microsoft don't want to sell a box. A box costs them money. A 100$ dongle make them like 90$ profit.
They don't want people to buy the xbox anymore because the xbox is a razorblade model. You sell the unit for a loss and make the profit back on the game sales. If you can somehow sidestep the box, then that's a victory.
That's why I firmly believe that MS is going to release either a dongle or a small "streaming box" to replace xbox in the future. It may not be today, in a month, a year, or even 5. But the end goal is definitely to take that central pc unit, and use it to branch out into other areas. Like, a wifi phone that makes internet calls, has no real hardware except pc support. Or a tablet device. or a video games system.
It's all part of the pc and server "cloud" experience they want to move toward.
| spemanig said: I've literally been saying this for over a year. |
Me too and all everyone says is "nah, PC is its own thing". Like fuck is it is.
Windows 10 is getting pushy. Bigger upgrade now windows are popping up with no opt out option, just schedule your upgrade. How do I get rid of that, it's getting annoying.
There's just one tiny problem in this godlike Masterplan: Steam. Valve has the PC community in lockdown. I don't see how Microsoft would be able to change that.
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Limited cross-buy is not exactly converging the two platforms. It only allows someone with a gaming capable PC with windows 10 on it to play some xbox one games that ms is allowing on there. PC and the xbox one are not converging. The xbox one will not be able to play PC exclusive games.
I think MS is trying to get more people to switch to windows 10 and to make the xbox one a more appealing console to windows 10 users. MS consoles are here to stay as long as they make a profit.
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