-Nintendo can make NX to have similar power like PS4 with price point around $250-300 in 2016. easily, you forgetting PS4 had price of $299 this holiday season and Sony made profit even with that price so there no reason to think that in 2016 Nintendo cant make similar or stronger hardware with same or lower price.

-Definitely, after Wii U they will definitely have great and big marketing.

-We dont still know if will be standard console, definitely will have some kind of gimmick (maybe unified platform will be gimmick or part of gimmick).

-After Wii U they definitely need great launch titles. Not just Zelda U like launch title, it needs at one or two more strong launch titles, new Mario 3D is one of them. They need launch games that will get attention and games because people will actually want to buy console in order to play them. NSMBU and Nintendo Land didnt done neither of those things.

Again its not only about 3D Mario and 3D Zelda at launch, it also about marketing (good and great marketing can sell even bad product), solid gimmick (like I wrote maybe unified platform is some kind of gimmick or part of gimmick), affordable price, and no having software drought in first year. All that will effect that NX is much more desirable console than Wii U and have much better sales than Wii U had (but realistically that want be hard at all).

If NX is selling, if have similar power and architecture to PS4/X1 (that means easy, fast and cheap ports) third party games will stay on platform even they dont have great sales, because they can still make money. Wii for instance had some third party through all life. Third party abandon Wii U after terrible sales of console, they very fast saw platform dont have future and they abandoning it, especially when PS4/X1 totally new and hyped platforms were arriving.

Why third party games are important for NX!? Beacuse of bigger mass appeling of NX. Nobody will buy NX in first place to play just Fifa, Need For Speed or CoD, for something like that they will buy PS4, but you can bet there are plenty people who would like to play 3D Mario and Fifa, or 3D Zelda and CoD, Smash and Need For Speed, people who would gladly play Nintendo games but they also want some 3rd party games, they dont want to pay for console that has only Nintendo games.

IMO biggest problem for Wii U was bad name, terrible and misunderstood marketing, but in combination with bad launch titles and high price you having huge problem.

All things that Nintendo easily can correct with NX, strong and good marketing, strong launch lineup and aforidible price point ($249-299).

nintendo wont sell the console at a loss or almost non profit marge i guess.

Keep in mind the ps4 was like 390 bucks production costs at its release.

Thats just the hardware. Add marketing costs, manufature, guarantee and other services/support and your easily at something like 500 bucks/console.

A modern ps4 console (same power) would probl cost 250-300 bucks just hardware. Add the additional costs and youll be at 350-400 bucks, and thats for an almost non profit marge.

You realise Sony said they were making profit with PS4 console alone just few months after launch!?

Nintendo always made profit on hardware, Wii U is actually first Nintendo console on which they didnt made profit on launch, (they said they were making profit with console and just one sold game). Nintendo even made profit with GC when they were selling it for $100.

I really don't where you going with this, because at end only whats is important and what actually only affect on sale price is cost of hardware, not marketing or  guarantee costs.

See my post above. 250-300 for hardware only is logical, yes. But your forgetting all the other costs (development (OS), Services, Marketing costs, Guarantee costs (if every 10th console gets broken and nintendo needs to replace them for free, you can split that costs as a +10% for each console), transport and storage, taxes)

Also Sony is okay with selling the ps4 at hardware costs, i doubt nintendo will. Soney earns money not with the console, but with the 20% they get from every sold game. Thats a good option with third party support, i doubt nintendo want to rely on third party again (after all companies ignored the wii u).

- Sure but sony throws 100mio+ $ each 6 month in the ps4 marketing, nintendo atm just 30-40 mio for the whole year on the wii u. I dont know if they wanna put that money into marketing but they need to.

Well see, im a fan of nintendos games (i even own a wii u). I personally dont care to much about zelda beeing on nx or wii u because i can play it at least on wii u anyway. 

Im just fearing that, if this is their main strategy, wont work.

Zelda is cool, its probl one of my most expected games this year. But I doubt it will work. Not many people will buy an NX to play Zelda Wii U or all the games the wiiu got as well (3d mario, even mario kart, smash, splatoon). It already didnt worked with the wii u.

Look at Ps4´s lineup for just THIS year: Uncharted 4, Ratchet and Clank, No Mans Sky, Fifa 17 + other anual sportgames, Final Fantasy 15, The Last Guardian, Horizon Zero Dawn, Dark Soulds III, The Devision, Kingdoms Come Deliverance, Street Fighter 5, Mirrors Edge Catalyst, Mass Effect Andromeda, Doom, Plants vs Zombies GW2, New Call of Duty, Deus Ex Manking Divided, Kingdom Hearts 2.8, Hitman, Overwatch, Dishonored 2, For Honor, Unravel, Tekken 7, Detroid, Gran Turismo Sport, Mafia III, Deep Down, Ghost recon: Wildlands, Rise of the Tomb Raider

+ some rereleases/remastereds: Resident Evil 4,5,6; Heavy Rain; Beyoned 2 souls, maybe bioshock 1,2,3

+ Dlcs for Witcher 3, Fallout 4, Battlefront to keep those games fresh.

And now please tell me how Nintendo NX should compete against this. Its just doesnt matter if Zelda U is on NX or isnt. Thats not Nintendos problem.

A game like Final Fantasy 15 is at least as hyped as Zelda U and their is so much more coming to ps4. No way Nintendo can compete.

They NEED third party support. And even with 3rd party support it will get extremly hard. Look at Xbox One vs Ps4. the XBox will get most of that games as well, still didnt sell very well. In most europe country the xbox one just sell as good as the wii u. The only reason the xbox is WW still "okay" is UK and America, where the brand is still very popular.

In germany we have like 70% ps4 and 15% Wii Us, 15% Xbox Ones.

The Playstation just have the best imagine. Nintendo image is at least in terms of mature third party games very bad. I really cant see them fixing this.

I already saw and I already answered to you, R&D costs, marketing costs and services...dont affect on sale price of product, actually only thing that affect on sale product is cost of hardware itself.

There is no really need to throw money on already dead platform, but on launch of totally new platform they need to through ton of money on marketing.

I already wrote you several times why it wouldn't work with Wii U, its wasnt just one problem, it was several big problems. So its not only about Zelda U, but Zelda U will definitely help.

Again, NX will be in some way diffrent than, PS4/X1 also you have great Nintendo games that you dont have on other platforms.Why PS4 is selling so much better than X1!? First on sales of X1 had effect initial plans of MS with DRM and always online, than X1 was launched with $100 higher price point than PS4, than people realise that same games works and looks better on PS4. Also PS4/X1 are bouth on first place platforms for multiplatform games, people buy them on first place for multi platform games, and PS4 ended from obvious reasons like best multiplatform console.

Regardless Nintendo, they have strongest IPs, but like I wrote, if they want bigger mass appealing they need 3rd party. Nobody will buy NX in first place to play just Fifa, Need For Speed or CoD, for something like that they will buy PS4, but you can bet there are plenty people who would like to play 3D Mario and Fifa, or 3D Zelda and CoD, Smash and Need For Speed, people who would gladly play Nintendo games but they also want some 3rd party games, they dont want to pay for console that has only Nintendo games.

xbox 360 was cheaper then ps3.

third party games worked better on xbox 360.

People still bought ps3.

xbox "1" price - 299€

Ps2 price - 430€

Games on xbox way superior, better hardware, cheaper. Still ps2 destroyed xbox.

wii u had those third party support at launch. There wernt many people that were interested in getting third party games on the wii u.

If the NX will be same/similar power like ps4, this will be the same again. 

Do you realise that Xbox 360 at beginning was killing PS3!? PS3 sales start to match Xbox 360 only when PS3 had same price like Xbox360 and when PS3 actually become to receive better exclusives. Also even multipaltform games worked and looked better on Xbox360 difrence were not so big beacuse at end games were 720p/30fps on bouth platforms, but with PS4 majority of PS4 games working at 1080p while on X1 majority of multi platform working at 900p.

PS2 and Xbox had same launch price of $299, not just that PS2 was launched one year earlier than Xbox, it was success in every sense (for instance launch titles are probably best in history), PS2 was so popular that become best selling console ever.

Wii U had third party support on launch, but they had bad Nintendo launch titles, nobody bought Wii U to play NSMBU or Nintendo Land, and people will definatly will not buy Nintendo platform just to play worst versions of 3rd parties, there is no one great Nintendo games available, main reason why people actually buy Nintendo consoles.

Only case that NX will be similar like Wii U is again that platform has terrible and bad marketing, weak launch titles, not competitive price, bad and not appealing gimmick, software droughts...

Why limit one of your biggest franchises, to a niche / dying console, just so those fans alone can have the game.

Just put it on both, because anything else would be silly. Personal gain and greed are the only reason anyone would want Zelda to stay exclusive on Wii U.

The NX is Nintendo's chance for hardware and software redemption among gamers and developers, and having a hugely impressive launch line-up with Pokemon Sun / Moon, Zelda, Mario, Splatoon, etc... all on the device means that it should take off like a rockets at launch.

There's a fairly decent size group of gamers who want to play Nintendo's latest games, but they don't want to buy an overpriced Wii U, that had a potential successor announced at E3 2015.

And on top of that the majority of Nintendo gamers prefer a handheld, which is why 3DS is outselling Wii U nearly 5:1, and why every handheld has always outsold its console counterpart. That's due to more than half of the audience being child gamers, but a sale is a sale, and you want your best product on your best device.

So to make everyone happy, put it on both.

Hi All,

First post so be gentle. :)

Personally, i own a Wii U but i'm going for the NX Zelda version for the following reasons

a) if the NX is finally revealed at E3 to be a hybrid portable/console device that can be played at home or while travelling, then the ability to play the new Zelda game ANYWHERE is a massive advantage.

b) Nintendo have all but abandoned game-making for the Wii U in 2016, so the new big budget games will be coming to the NX, not the Wii U. Personally and for purely psychological reasons, i want to play Zelda on their shiny new tech, not on an obsolete console. I don't really care whether the Zelda was designed initially for the Wii U or not.

c) Nintendo's New OS/Ecosystem and MyNintendo - i want Zelda NX to be part of my new profile. I wouldn't be surprised if Nintendo incentivise consumers to buy the Zelda NX version with exclusive content (not available on the Wii U version) that links in nicely with the new NX ecosystem.

Roll on June e3!