Wii was also almost half the price of the Wii U at £179 and wasn't mistaken for an add on and had actual marketing, the are many factors you and others are ignoring to try and entertain this notion of the Wii audience, maybe because it makes you lot feel better or maybe you're trying to put yourselves on a higher pedestal. After the first year of the Wii U what was there for casuals and non-gamers, hardly anything, you're lying to yourself if you think 3DW, W101, Pikmin 3 would appeal to them that's the same mistake Nintendo made.

This crowd didn't move on because they're a bad crowd they moved on because Nintendo mishandled the situation and made mistakes, it may scare you and others in the core group to accept this but that's what it comes down to, that crowd are still around and as active as ever, the whole strategy with the 3DS and Wii U was a mess from the start. The amount of Wii and DS games that cater to this crowd blows the 3DS and Wii U out the water even if you just compare both the latter to one.

Hahahaha I love this comment. So true!

Wii U is now basically the same price as the Wii's $250 price factoring in inflation and has been for a while. And Wii U comes with 2 free games instead of 1. Still no bump in sales. 

The crowd isn't "bad". The way I've looked at this is like at a nightclub lets say a super hot girl dances with you and has a few drinks with you. She friends you on Facebook and maybe goes out to Dennys after the club with you. 

It doesn't mean she was ever going to be your girlfriend or wanted to marry you or something ridiculous like that. She just thought you were the "fun guy" for one night, that's all that was. 

She moved on to someone else the next week ... because that's what the hot girl does. And there's nothing wrong with that. She's at the club to have a good time, not to find a husband, if anything the guy who thinks she should be with him is the asshole for not understanding that. 

On top of the cost issue again ... why pay for something when something else scratches the same itch for free? 

Nintendo and third parties aren't making these games anymore because no one is buying them, they know they can't compete against smart gaming. 

And sure that crowd is around ... this weekend alone I've seen more commercials for Mobile Strike and Clash of Clans than I have see Nintendo, Sony, and MS game commercials the last six months combined. Casual gaming is like 10x bigger today thanks to Apple and Google driving it forward, not Nintendo and XBox.

Do you mean the few Wii millions that made profit and gives other Nintendo games a bigger installbase?

Except we're not bothering with econmics we're looking at the situation as it played out, Wii was £179 back when the financial crash took place putting many countries in recession, two years later it's around £130 when MK Wii and Brawl arrived after a price cut before eventually being £99 another two years after that. Wii U was 250-300 quid and has stayed at that price through out and even when it launched in 2012 the were still economic problems especially in Europe with the Euro.

Your analogy is poor because it's more closer to you meet a woman, you start taking full care of her and all then you just stop one day, she leaves as a result and you think it's her that was the issue.

Nintendo and third parties aren't making these games because they currently were following a strategy to cater to the cores thinking the group would follow by default. They threw out their old startegies of catering to them with out realizing those were still very much required, that crowd was never going to drop between 250-300 quid even more more so if they're not being catered to. They were driven away by the poor handling.

Why doesn't Nintendo just make a $100 casual platform then? Fuck all this Metroid and Zelda nonsense that they don't like anyway, just make 100% casual games for them all day long. 

If casual gamers are so "good" and hardcore gamers are "bad", then just make a system for them and see if they show up. I doubt they will. 

I can tell you something though ... if you're going to ask for even $10+ games, you're going to be in for a rude awakening. Why do we all need to play on the same system? It's like trying to force a square peg into a round hole. 

Even that new AppleTV which has casual games and a Wiimote like remote is not doing that great and that's with Apple's backing. Playing casual games on your TV is passe .... smart devices can go anywhere, they're just far more convienant to the life style of someone who's life isn't that centralized around playing some video games. 

Again, if I delivered free milk to your door every Monday, even if it's not the exact brand you usually get ... would you still pay for milk at the supermarket? I really, really doubt it. Casual gaming belongs to Apple and Google now, Nintendo trying to compete would be laughable at this point, they don't have the marketing, their products look like toys in comparison, and they're asking for $30+ a game. No chance in hell. 

If you're honestly saying Twilight Princess was the reason people bought a Wii you I would personally just laugh. Nintendo got lucky, but you can only bet on the long shot so many times. When it works you get the Wii, when it doesn't you get a Wii U, and honestly when you burn bridges along the way you get less than that.

Lets be honest you guys raising such a big stink will be all like "I hate you Nintendo! You betra ... IS THAT THE NEW MARIO AND METROID ON NX! HOLY SHITIITTITI!!!!!!! WITH A LIMITED EDITION FIFTH SAMUS AMIIBO!!!!!! SOLLDLDDD!", five minutes after Nintendo shows the NX with a few trailers. 

Who are we kidding here. 

The people even willing to buy a Wii U aren't going anywhere, they just raise a big stink on message boards, but they're lifers. 

Nintendo doesn't need to worry about this 10 million audience, they need to worry about the 90 million others who would rather buy a Playstation or XBox. 

I was not the one making the better joke believing TP was going to move "few GameCube millions" because the game. And if you really believe all the Wii sales were because Wii Sports then it is sad the state of the franchise that can only sell a couple of million copies.

Zelda HD is going to flop hard.

Read up on some of Nintendo's comments regarding the Wii U, it was well above what they actually wanted to charge for it even the current President said he disagreed with the execution of how the platform was handled before launch. Believe me a cheaper platform is no doubt something they're aiming for with a more focused approach that actually accounts for all groups this time and last I check Tomodachi life cost more then $10. Casual gamers and non-gamers aren't the same group either.

Apple TV is not really a dedicated console even the remote is just that a remote and nothing close to a Wiimote, that's a terrible comparison to even bring up as it's primarily a device for services like Hulu, Netflix etc... It's a microconsole at best.